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1. pc+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-04-21 18:26:26
I'll ask our legal team if we can somehow contractually preclude ourselves from sharing this data in the case of liquidation or otherwise bind ourselves in a useful fashion...

To your question about what the data actually includes and what the retention policies are -- we'll put together a summary of this on the page I mentioned in GP.

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2. piling+o8[view] [source] 2020-04-21 19:13:45
>>pc+(OP)
If you get clarity on liquidation, please consider open sourcing it à la YC's startup documents. It's something I've long wanted to include in my projects.
3. rkager+nj[view] [source] 2020-04-21 20:29:24
>>pc+(OP)
I hope the result has some teeth to it, and I'd like to see follow up once this item is complete.

If I were negotiating for a vendor to collect such an invasive level of personal data about me or my customers, I would insist on accordingly strong protections.

At a minimum there should be clause in your ToS making our consent expressly contingent on you upholding your protection commitments, particularly around what data is collected, who it's shared with, and when it is destroyed or 100% anonymized. It should insist you have contracts containing terms of equal strength in place with any of your vendors, subcontractors, partners, etc. who might conceivably gain access to the sensitive data.

The clause should be written such that the liability follows along to any assigns, heirs, successors, etc, and it should be excluded from any loopholes in other portions of the contract (particularly any blanket ones which allow you to change the ToS without gaining fresh, explicit consent) and preferably free from any limitations of liability.

I'm glad Stripe is taking a responsive approach to the matter and I hope you'll consider this feedback when you revisit your legal agreements.

4. lucb1e+vD[view] [source] 2020-04-21 23:04:09
>>pc+(OP)
Will you post the response from the legal team here or is there some other place we should watch like the blog?
5. nerdpo+yF[view] [source] 2020-04-21 23:25:17
>>pc+(OP)
And what happens if Stripe is hacked?
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6. taurat+dJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-22 00:00:06
>>nerdpo+yF
Your credit card information is stolen.
7. beefee+731[view] [source] 2020-04-22 03:37:22
>>pc+(OP)
Thanks for answering questions about this and being so open! In your top-voted comment, you claimed that this data will never be sold to advertisers. Are you now saying that you're unsure? If so, it would be helpful to update the comment, since it seems it's not accurate.

> This data has never been, would never be, and will never be sold/rented/etc. to advertisers

8. bill_m+RQ1[view] [source] 2020-04-22 12:47:17
>>pc+(OP)
> I'll ask our legal team if we can somehow contractually preclude ourselves from sharing this data in the case of liquidation or otherwise bind ourselves in a useful fashion...

Attack real problems on all flanks, but I don't think you can get an affirmative from Legal.

Do you have cryptographers on staff? The "technology as a contract" approach is to implement a homomorphic encryption technique to do your cross-site correlation without being able to unmask the individual who is using multiple sites.

That way you don't have to trust your users, customers, sysadmins, big-data people, LEO, OR creditors. Keep it as secret sauce, or even better, drop an open-source library on github to advance the state of privacy. I would like to be able to ask vendors, "why AREN'T you protecting users' privacy this way?".

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