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Not to worry, they'll simply say they have a "talent shortage" and ask the government to help supply them with workers whose situations are so desperate they won't think about the company's business practices.

(Note, this is not actually a jab at Amazon in particular.)

>>epicur+(OP)
I know this is an attack on H1bs. Many H1Bs have multiple offers from FAANGS at market rate. Whatever woe you have in your life, please stop blaming immigrants for it.

>>mav3ri+3i
Just because many H1B's have good job offers doesn't ALSO mean there is rampant H1B abuse happening. Both things can be true and the blame for the latter should be placed on the companies abusing the H1B process and the US government for not doing something about it.

I'm all for open borders and immigration. The H1B problem right now is the worst of both worlds though. You have selectively restrictive immigration which means that if you're lucky enough to get an H1B you'll go through a lot to stay. More open borders would help the situation as people would have more labor mobility. Cracking down on H1B abuse would also help the situation and the only entity that can crack down is the Government because it's a tragedy-of-the-commons problem.

>>mav3ri+3i
Most don't have "multiple offers from FAANGS" and they are operating from an extremely poor bargaining position.

And how did you read that comment and come away with immigrants are to blame?

>>mason5+Ri
Do you really think H1B abuse is the pressing problem of our times ? Also, the companies that abuse these clearly have effective lobbying. Ask your senators to not be corrupt, voice your opinion with your vote. Many a times it's the H1Bs that get the abuse along with barely veiled racist attacks.

>>mason5+Ri
Agreed, and I hate how all of those cases get mixed together.

We need to be very clear when talking about it:

There is no abuse of H1Bs at the typical big tech companies we all know, like MSFT/Google/FB/etc. Their H1B employees get paid market rate, same as the US residents working at those companies. Those H1B employees are screwed over big time by the abusers in the category I am about to describe below and by general public who doesn't make the distinction and lumps them all in the second category. Not even mentioning the visa system that ends up screwing them due to that abuse.

Where the real H1B abuse happens is at those giant consulting companies like Accenture, Tata, Wipro, etc. They hire tons of software devs and pay them about $40k/yr, while flooding H1B visa pool and making it way more difficult for people in the first category to obtain a visa due to the sheer number imbalance.

Not only this creates a false image and leads to general public blaming the first group for all the visa abuse stemming from the second group, it makes it really difficult for the people in the first group to get their visas. There is a yearly cap on H1B, and it is much more difficult to obtain it when overwhelming majority of visa applications are filed by the latter group. For a price of one average engineer in big tech (let's say $160k/yr for easier math, even though the real number is very likely higher), a consultancy agency can hire at least 4 engineers and send 4 H1B visa applications respectively.

H1B visa is for "outstanding talent" that is difficult to find locally. This holds absolutely true for tech giants, as hiring a competent person is really difficult, witnessed it myself. But I find it difficult to believe that an "outstanding talent" would go work for a consulting agency and get paid $40k, while they can switch to a big tech company and get paid at least x4 that amount.

Luckily, it seems like the rules are getting tighter for the latter group, with their denial rates skyrocketing, while the usual tech company H1B approval rates are staying as high as usual (close to 100%)[0].

0. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/it-consulti...

>>mav3ri+3i
I assure you they're below market rate. That's the whole point