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Amazon begins temperature checks and will provide surgical masks at warehouses

submitted by ajavia+(OP) on 2020-04-02 14:47:08 | 265 points 213 comments
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1. reaper+o6[view] [source] 2020-04-02 15:19:25
>>ajavia+(OP)
For those interested in reading the actual journalism, not a blog re-writing someone else's work:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-amazon...

The HN link should probably be changed.

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6. hirund+u8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 15:31:14
>>Doofus+07
Aerosols. Masks are an efficient and low cost intervention for limiting such transmissions. Here's a review of 67 randomised controlled studies concluding that.

https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_physical-interventions...

Is it ok to close the barn door now?

10. oski+89[view] [source] 2020-04-02 15:34:45
>>ajavia+(OP)
This response from Amazon is better than nothing, but given that recent figures show that up to 25% of people may be asymptomatic, might these temperature checks give people a false sense of security? They should have any employee with _any_ symptoms stay home and self-quarantine for longer than 3 days.

They should really focus on getting face masks for employees faster by using nonmedical fabric masks, which can help prevent asymptomatic transmission by blocking respiratory droplets from spreading. The article says the surgical masks won't arrive until next week. And they should really be using some alternative fabric mask, rather than surgical masks which should go to healthcare workers.

Each day that interventions are delayed makes a huge difference.

More thoughts at https://shouldiwearafacemask.com

(Edited to remove suggestion to close until they get masks with a compromise to use nonmedical fabric masks.)

19. claude+xa[view] [source] 2020-04-02 15:42:34
>>ajavia+(OP)
...because their workers are striking across the country:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/amazon...

Labor organizing - it works!

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31. timced+Ob[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 15:49:18
>>envy2+ea
I asked the same thing over 3 weeks ago, and the general response on HN was interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22543327
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39. pjc50+Zc[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 15:56:56
>>envy2+ea
The US in general is very conservative about allowing people sick leave, and Amazon in particular is notorious for making people work while sick. They were already running their operation right on the edge of the health of their employees, e.g. https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/11/18260472/amazon-ware...

The hard part isn't testing the workers. It's giving them sick pay for not coming in to work while sick.

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61. xkapas+Rf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:12:42
>>DasIch+6d
Any barrier in front of your mouth and nose will protect you from droplets[0], as well as protecting other people from your own droplets.

[0]: https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all...

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78. oski+wh[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:22:14
>>JohnJa+ld
Thanks, I designed it to share with friends and family! Please feel free to share it (https://shouldiwearafacemask.com) widely.
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81. amiga_+ni[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:27:07
>>btilly+Fe
> Just issues about who is the highest priority to get them when they are in short supply.

The root cause is offshoring safety critical manufacturing:

https://www.wired.com/story/decades-offshoring-led-mask-shor...

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90. onetim+lj[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:32:39
>>bloren+cd
sadly, I think we all will get it. Apparently it is spread even by the infected talking or breathing. No way around it. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronaviru...

"This letter responds to your question concerning the possibility that [coronavirus] could be spread by conversation, in addition to sneeze/cough-induced droplets," the letter states. "Currently available research supports the possibility that [coronavirus] could be spread via bioaerosols generated directly by patients' exhalation," it continues.

93. barbeg+3k[view] [source] 2020-04-02 16:38:01
>>ajavia+(OP)
What is the accuracy of non-contact infrared thermometers sensors in detecting high body temperatures? If you use an off the shelf cheap non-contact thermometer then your will read ~32C when you measure your forehead temperature. As far as I can tell most health non-contact thermometers work by measuring the ambient temperature and using this to calibrate the measured forehead temperature. But there seem to be many factors in play: if a worker has just come from another colder or hotter environment, the size of a workers head, ambient air speed, hair covering, where the operator aims the device...

In the best study [1] I have seen using expensive ($25,000) equipment, the sensitivity vs specificity is too low [2] to suggest that they are useful outside of environments that can tolerate high levels of false positives. To catch 90% of the people with Covid-19 you will inadvertently turn away at least 10% of your workforce as false positives.

I would be interested in seeing studies from actual workplace screenings in terms of how many workers are turned away and how many feverish workers are actually detected.

[1]https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/11/10-0703_article [2]https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/11/10-0703-f1

98. oski+Ok[view] [source] 2020-04-02 16:42:14
>>ajavia+(OP)
TL;DR: starting next week, Amazon will start:

1) taking temperatures of employees, fever >100.4°F to be sent home for min 3 days

2) giving surgical masks to employees once it receives shipments of orders of “millions”

3) using machine learning-powered video software to monitor social distancing

(Shameless plug for a little site I made to help spread the word that we need #masks4all: https://shouldiwearafacemask.com)

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104. gdubs+ol[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:46:00
>>rpedel+aj
[edit after re-reading parent comment]

This article offers some links and data on the effectiveness of even homemade masks at filtering particles:

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protec...

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109. oski+Pl[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:47:56
>>adrr+Ge
Masks can be made from cotton fabric and still be quite (~70% effective) (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258525804_Testing_t...).

You can improvise a mask from paper towel and tissues that is ~90% effective (https://www.bkreader.com/2020/03/07/heres-a-diy-way-to-make-...)

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115. oski+Rm[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:53:29
>>gdubs+ol
The link you posted is commercial (selling air filters), better to link to the original study from which this is based:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258525804_Testing_t...

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118. ck2+6n[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 16:55:08
>>bloren+cd
Neither does 6 feet. It's all safety theater.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronaviru...

120. oski+cn[view] [source] 2020-04-02 16:56:10
>>ajavia+(OP)
Everyone who is still working to provide essential services should be wearing masks.

There is a major shortage of PPE, so non-healthcare workers should be wearing nonmedical fabric masks or homemade masks. https://shouldiwearafacemask.com for a full explanation with the science.

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130. polish+no[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 17:02:09
>>xbmcus+Nl
Yea, this is super important to emphasize. Even though surgical and homemade masks are only good at filtering out a portion of the larger respiratory droplets, that's still going to be a lot better than nothing.

This is the same reason the medical authorities have recommended these types of masks for healthcare professionals in areas where N95's are not available. It's better than nothing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/f... (see "HCP use of homemade masks")

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136. mkolod+Vo[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 17:05:08
>>rpedel+aj
From the FDA:

"even a properly fitted N95 respirator does not completely eliminate the risk of illness or death"

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equi...

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139. krapp+1p[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 17:05:23
>>glenne+6o
https://reddit.com/r/AmazonFC
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162. oski+Ur[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 17:22:09
>>artifi+tq
Yes!!! :) I miss that Bill Gates borg image: https://lurkertech.com/bill-the-borg/
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174. binary+7u[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 17:35:02
>>oski+Ok
I like the site! One question - is the graphic of mask/no mask[1] correct? I've heard good arguments that this is correlation!=causation, and shouldn't be relied upon.

[1] https://shouldiwearafacemask.com/static/images/uploads/masks...

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175. dang+8u[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 17:35:06
>>reaper+o6
Ok, we've changed to that from https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/02/amazon-begins-running-temp....
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184. btilly+6z[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 18:02:35
>>Ensorc+ti
See http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentar... for a reliable "con" side of the debate.

Note in particular that cloth masks were tried and failed during the Spanish flu epidemic.

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198. ck2+MH[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 18:54:14
>>viewer+Ls
There may not be any safe distance in the same room/area with someone who is infected even asymptomatic without fever (yet)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronavirus-sp...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronaviru...

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202. krapp+CU[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 20:01:37
>>twomor+oH
>This is nonsense, if you presume the administration knew what was coming then they would have known that this would last up until election season, as it likely will.

Here is an article pointing out that Trump ignored warnings about the virus from his own intelligence services as far back as January[0].

Here is an article about his efforts to downplay the effects of the virus, and calling it a Democratic hoax[1], also going back to January.

Here is an article about Trump's efforts to quickly scale back social distancing guidelines and ending the quarantine in order to get the economy going, again, for the sake of his reelection campaign.

Here is an article about the lies, minisformation and misdirection Trump has offered about the coronavirus[3].

> Unless you're implying that they waited deliberately for it to get worse so they could "fix" it.

I'm not implying that. I will imply that Trump assumed the problem would just go away, and when it didn't, his primary concern became political damage control. FFS he's said he only willing to help blue states with funding if they stop criticizing him[4] and during a press briefing on the coronavirus he boasted about being "number one on facebook."[5] Clearly he cares more about his image and his ego than he does the health of the country.

Notwithstanding whatever other failures have occurred, when the Executive branch is being run like this during a crisis, the result affects the entire system. It affects funding. It affects procurement and distribution of goods. It affects the way people behave, whether they even believe a crisis exists, and what actions should be taken. There's an entire "coronavirus truther" thing happening now resulting in people ignoring quarantine orders and that's directly a result of Trump convincing people the scale and danger of the problem has been overblown by the "liberal media" in order to attack him. That's directly his fault.

[0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intellig...

[1]https://www.vox.com/2020/3/18/21184945/trump-coronavirus-com...

[2]https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-wants-to-r...

[3]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/trumps-...

[4]https://www.vox.com/2020/3/25/21193803/trump-to-governors-co...

[5]https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1245476330193518596

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212. rasz+WY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-03 08:16:12
>>SlowRo+It1
how about doctors wearing sex shop costumes? https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/28/medical-fetish-site-donates-e...
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213. tomhow+9V4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-04 14:45:55
>>bdcrav+fj
Inaccessible links aren't allowed on HN according to the FAQs [1].

Paywalled articles are only allowed if there is a known, easily-accessible workaround, and someone usually posts this in the comments.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

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