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1. bnjms+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-03-30 18:31:15
The only one I’d change is the 10% tip should be named as a fee.

I think our tipping culture is okay but I’d like us to move to calling them delivery fees so we can keep the idea of the tip as a pure bonus between me and those serving me.

I don’t like feeling like I am required to tip but I like tipping. Especially when not expected but socially accepted.

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2. TheSof+45[view] [source] 2020-03-30 18:57:52
>>bnjms+(OP)
a fee and a tip are very different things, and ti would be bad to conflate them. A fee is something mandatory and a tip is supposed to be optional. I think their are also differences between how the two things are taxed, so you really can't start conflating the two
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3. rattra+76[view] [source] 2020-03-30 19:03:15
>>bnjms+(OP)
They also have a delivery fee, which would likely rise by $5 per this request.

A 10% default tip in a situation like this doesn't feel bad to me as a consumer.

4. munk-a+r6[view] [source] 2020-03-30 19:05:07
>>bnjms+(OP)
Up here in Canada one of our chains, SaveOn, has a self-hosted delivery service with a 10$ flat fee for delivery and no tipping allowed. I much prefer that and, if that fee isn't sufficient, I'd prefer them raising the flat fee rather than add any ridiculous tipping option.
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5. pxx+y6[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-03-30 19:05:34
>>TheSof+45
There are no differences besides the fact that people often massively underreport cash tips.
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6. davidw+E7[view] [source] 2020-03-30 19:12:05
>>bnjms+(OP)
I'm generally with you, but... this is just a crazy situation, with a lot of people out of work. I've been happy to tip Instacart people generously the times we've used it in the past few weeks.
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7. squeak+sb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-03-30 19:37:02
>>pxx+y6
No, they are different. The delivery fees do not go to the delivery person in most cases, and is an additional amount of money going to the company hosting the delivery (whether it's something like Instacart, or in-house delivery like a pizza place). Instacart keeps the entire 10% "Service fee" for orders, for example.

The commenter above incorrect about the taxing, but are correct that tipped workers don't have precisely the same wage laws. Tipped workers are allowed to be paid a lower minimum wage that varies by state. In NYC is is $10/hr as opposed to the standard 15/hr minimum. In Florida it is $5.54, while regular minimum wage is $8.56/hr.

Yes employees are supposed to be compensated in missing tip pay to reach the actual minimum-wage. But also yes, this is the fastest way to get yourself fired from a company. If you are the only employee asking for compensation due to low tips you're effectively admitting you do not offer customer service to the same tier as other tipped workers and should be fired.[0]

[0] I don't personally believe this. But every manager I've ever had while doing tipped work has believed this. And good luck getting a lawyer to fight for you when your salary was previously $5.54 / hour.

8. squeak+Dc[view] [source] 2020-03-30 19:43:37
>>bnjms+(OP)
Delivery fees are already a thing here, in addition a tip, sadly. And the fee almost never goes to the delivery person. I mostly paid my college by working at Domino's Pizza and there is a large "THE DELIVERY FEE DOES NOT GO TO YOUR DRIVER. IT IS NOT A TIP" On the front fold of every box.

The computer system notifies drivers when they are delivering a first-time order for a specific address or phone number. This is intended for security purposes (you are supposed to always call when outside for a new order to ensure it's not a robbery or scam). But for myself and other drivers, the main function of the "first time delivery" notification was to let us know this person would not be tipping. Anecdotal evidence purely, but first-timers would almost never tip, and then would always tip every time after. I imagine because they saw the notice on the box.

I do wish it were as you described. Because of the wage laws in Florida when I was in college, a delivery at the edge of our radius that didn't tip basically cost me money. I was never compensated for gas or mileage, and tipped workers are allowed to be paid a separate minimum wage. If I remember correctly it was about $3/hour when I was working? I was lucky enough to deliver for a store that had coverage in a very rich neighborhood though and I'd say on average I made way above what the average pizza driver did. Jobs are weird.

9. ergoco+Vk[view] [source] 2020-03-30 20:36:22
>>bnjms+(OP)
What will happen is that we will end up having 10% fee with 10% mandatory tip.

Because there will be a certain group of people who shame others to tip.

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10. bnjms+mb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-03-31 06:18:32
>>ergoco+Vk
Good point. I’m interested in starting tip-shame shaming movement. Hope you’ll join when we realign incentives. Cheers.
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11. bnjms+1c1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-03-31 06:25:12
>>davidw+E7
I’m all for the tip I just want us to keep our semantics clean and encourage/require companies to keep the base pay worked directly into the cost of services.

I see some people have different definitions than me but defining tips as discretionary and optional. Required costs are fees and should be called such. It’s pedantic nitpicking based on a goal of explicitly paying workers and not hiding it in mandatory tipping. I hope they get what they want.

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