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Compared to e.g. twitter it may feel this way but there is definitely some discussion going on despite the efforts to keep it to the minimum. And even without directly engaging with "the other side" it is nice to know that they are still here and can provide their perspective on the other matters.

>>dunkel+(OP)
I have a sneaking suspicion that this is how the majority of productive political discussions happen - around the edges of other things.

People who show up for political debate generally do so with knives drawn; you hear from the loudest people with the most solidified views, and the stuff that rises to the top is playing to the crowd instead of engaging in extended discussions. But in a rec sports team, a movie club, or a tech forum, people aren't grouped by viewpoint and vitriolic arguments are a distraction from the original cause. So those places seem to breed conversations where people take the time to hear one another and avoid breaking down into pure tribalism.

>>Bartwe+67
>So those places seem to breed conversations where people take the time to hear one another and avoid breaking down into pure tribalism.

Another way of looking at it is that in that context, they are interacting as fellow members of their "rec team tribe" rather than as members of competing political tribes. (which they may also be a part of)

>>Bartwe+67
Itp's not just political discussion; some of the best discussions in general I've seen were in derailed threads on hobby boards.

>>Bartwe+67
It seems like there's probably a mathematical law that one could state about the probability of a substantive discussion occuring, where the result is dominated by the likelihood of a random, uninformed stranger crashing into the thread.

I feel like at less than ~ 3:1 "citizens":stranger ratios, any conversation spirals down. Because someone inevitably takes the bait, responds to stupidity, and there goes the thread.