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1. arethu+(OP)[view] [source] 2019-08-08 11:10:35
How do you know that downvoting is "reflexive" - certainly any time I've been downvoted it was, on reflection, fairly well justified.
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2. dsfyu4+J5[view] [source] 2019-08-08 12:15:01
>>arethu+(OP)
Not the person you're replying to but I wrote a script to track when I got upvoted and downvoted and that parsed my comment tree for the past 24hr.

The highest downvote to upvote ratios and highest downvote to comment tree depth increase (i.e. discussion happening) occur in the time periods of 12-1 and 3-4 US East coast time by a factor of about 2. Those are actually the only hours of the day when my account personally (the only one I was tracking) has an upvote/downvote ratio less than 1 (ratio was 1.5-2 for the rest of the day). Based on the fact that I would say that there certainly exists a group of users who "reflexively" downvote. An alternate explanation is that people who hate what I have to say are most likely to use HN during those hours. Both those options seems highly plausible to me.

This analysis is about a year old and based on about 6mo of data. I have since lost the script and the records so don't expect any further analysis.

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3. vonmol+H6[view] [source] 2019-08-08 12:25:10
>>arethu+(OP)
I rarely get downvoted, but I feel that most of the ones I have received are unjustified. It usually comes from posting nuanced details that go against a prevailing narrative in a contentious thread.

I'm at the point now where I immediately hide submissions that seem like they have anything to do with American health care or American transportation.

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4. vonmol+57[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-08-08 12:27:28
>>dsfyu4+J5
Do you remember how you got the upvote/downvoted signal? We're you just polling the API and looking at the score?
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5. dsfyu4+y9[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-08-08 12:50:12
>>vonmol+57
I looked at my overall karma once per minute and keeping a running total in a text file as well as the increase/decrease from the last file.

For comments I went to https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dsfyu404ed and whatever URL the "more" link was, found every comment of mine that was < 1 day old and then every comment not by me that was a reply to one of those and then listing the ids of additional comments by me and additional replies to my comments for that minute. Comments were tracked by ID to avoid duplicates.

Pages were grabbed with wget and all the parsing was done with the standards linux/bash utilities

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6. mieser+Ir[view] [source] 2019-08-08 14:54:28
>>arethu+(OP)
> certainly any time I've been downvoted it was, on reflection, fairly well justified.

Typically when I find my statements are downvoted it is because I had a quip that could reasonably be construed as negative, combative, etc. I tend to edit and remove those bits.

When I find things to be "reflexively" (probably the wrong word) downvoted, it is in regards to simple questions. Simple example, there was an article regarding Manning's confinement yesterday. One top-level comment asked "Why is this not cruel" to which I asked the opposite, "How is it cruel?" - simple as can be. I watched that one go down to fairly negative, then bounce back up, settling on a score of 0. I don't care about the score itself so much as what that delta represents.

Perhaps I'm just too narrow minded, but I fail to come up with a reason to downvote a simple question asking for perspective that doesn't involve me reading some kind of intent. One of the core tenets of this site is to assume good faith, assume the most charitable viewpoint. When I say that I believe HN culture is dying, it is this that I am talking about. There seems to be less and less good faith discussion as time goes on.

As always, I'd love for an alternative perspective that I'm (probably) missing here.

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7. rocqua+bD[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-08-08 16:13:42
>>mieser+Ir
It might be a feature of HN believing that HN is becoming more combative and snarky. Hence, simple questions like "How is it cruel?" are more often read like a quick snarky comment instead of like a simple honest question.

In other words, perhaps the perception of a drop in HN quality makes people more likely to reflexively assume bad faith.

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8. saagar+YS[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-08-08 17:54:00
>>dsfyu4+y9
FYI, Hacker News has an API: https://github.com/HackerNews/API
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9. jessau+hb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-08-08 19:48:26
>>mieser+Ir
Regardless of one's political opinions, it seems relatively uncontroversial that answering the question "how is A not X?" with the followup question "how is A, X?" has contributed very little to the conversation. "X", in this case "cruelty", might be a debatable quality, but it isn't as though we have no information about the situation. Google is chock-full of different arguments for and against Manning's various punishments. (No links from me, because that would make my opinions obvious.) If you were genuinely curious, that would have been a place to start.

The original question seems fine as a conversation starter, since for one thing it identifies a particular motivated action that most humans would agree is cruel: 'admittedly imprisoning someone for "coercive" reasons', but if the only responses it had inspired had been more meta-conversation like yours then it would have been suitable to flag the whole subthread. Fortunately there were lots of thoughtful responses.

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10. 18pfsm+Hv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-08-08 21:54:15
>>rocqua+bD
Assumption of bad faith is a feature of nihilism, which is what I see as gaining a foothold on HN. "For the lulz" is nihilistic.

"They're nihilists, Donny."

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