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1. joey_b+(OP)[view] [source] 2019-07-16 15:12:29
>Because you don't want to see the thing you worked so hard to build misused to build killer robots and "war minds"? Seems reasonable to me. Google's got a different mission and sometimes the leadership forgets it, and needs to be reminded.

The question is not why would you publicly protest actions of your employer. The question is why would you expect, or even want, to work there while you do.

Also, do whistleblower laws protect you from retaliation if what you're blowing the whistle on isn't illegal?

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2. KirinD+I1[view] [source] 2019-07-16 15:21:44
>>joey_b+(OP)
The two women who claimed retaliation were organizers of the women's march. The common thread between them is that they were organizers of that event.

The claims of retaliation fell shortly after that.

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3. repolf+88[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 16:03:20
>>KirinD+I1
But nothing Google has done in these cases is illegal. The protestors just didn't like it, so that shouldn't be protected actions.
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4. KirinD+zb[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 16:28:42
>>repolf+88
This is untrue. You're not actually reading the salient facts. Radical reduction in job responsibility and opportunity IS retaliation.
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5. userna+1d[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 16:38:14
>>KirinD+I1
> The two women who claimed retaliation were organizers of the women's march.

I don't really understand this, the people accused of retaliation against Claire Stapleton are women as well. Why would they retaliate?

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6. tomxor+9d[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 16:38:51
>>KirinD+zb
> Radical reduction in job responsibility and opportunity IS retaliation.

Is that generally illegal in the US? if not then what specifically does the retaliation have to in response to to become illegal?

e.g I would expect negative retaliation in response to poor quality work or slacking off etc, and would expect it to be legal. This person's actions would be considered intentional bad PR, so what specifically about retaliating to it is illegal?

(Genuine question)

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7. KirinD+Ze[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 16:53:15
>>userna+1d
This is false and I'm not sure how you got here.
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8. repolf+7g[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 17:01:02
>>KirinD+zb
See my other comment. But yes, it is true.

You cannot be "retaliated against" if you aren't engaging in revelations of illegal behaviour. These people were not doing the latter, when you look at the details. They were merely protesting against things they didn't like, but which aren't illegal, and in one case, didn't exist at all (Google underpaid men, not women).

If there's no illegal behaviour, there's no whistleblowing, and if there's no whistleblowing, then reducing "job opportunity" (which is of course not a right) is just ordinary corporate performance management in response to an employee behaving badly.

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9. userna+kg[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 17:01:56
>>KirinD+Ze
I looked it up myself when it happened, not a single male in her entire reporting chain below Sundar. Marketing is female dominated so it isn't really that strange, but I wonder how a male could get enough influence to bully her in that position.
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10. KirinD+nB[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 19:31:44
>>userna+kg
Maybe you should read her story?
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11. KirinD+5D[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-16 19:43:34
>>repolf+7g
Please see the other half of this thread where a real lawyer explains the specifics. Given her involvement in the women's march, there are legal considerations.
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