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1. curiou+(OP)[view] [source] 2019-03-07 05:14:12
See I could never comprehend this attitude, how is it that we throw the word "enemy" around so lightly at countries that steal our technology or are dictatorships but we get so appalled and shocked when middle eastern countries that we bomb call us the enemy?

We should probably raise the bar as to what constitutes an enemy if we want to remain on our moral high horse, because otherwise we're hypocrites. Just my two cents.

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2. themod+f2[view] [source] 2019-03-07 05:45:56
>>curiou+(OP)
People use the word "enemy" when they speak about protecting themselves, because they sense that they are vulnerable or becoming more vulnerable.

When others talk about protecting themselves _from you_, yes, that's uncomfortable. But saying "we get so appalled and shocked" kind of points at a straw-man "we" here. That's not "us" in every case. It might just be those reactionaries over here or there. It also points at the shock of diving into a culture as the US did in the middle east: Wow, it's diverse, not just one opinion--shocking. That's how education happens.

Raising the bar as to what constitutes an enemy carries a very clear risk, too: Underestimating your enemy. People know a lot about that nowadays.

However I think we can develop our cultural vocabulary here. There's an opportunity for that and it's very clear when discussions about "enemy" and how it's awkward even arise.

3. friedm+N2[view] [source] 2019-03-07 05:55:34
>>curiou+(OP)
> we get so appalled and shocked when middle eastern countries that we bomb call us the enemy

do they? or are you talking about Americans getting appalled and shocked by people calling for their deaths? There is a significant difference.

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