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> So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors

While Google and Amazon both have their ethical problems and serious anti-trust issues, Facebook is in a league of its own. The complete, cavalier disregard for the consequences of its own actions as long as they get theirs is utterly unconscionable.

Unlike Google or Amazon, they add nothing of real value to society to balance the abuses they bring with them. All their labors are geared towards extracting the utility of other creators (their acquisitions like Instagram or WhatsApp) or to suck the time and attention out of people through addictive mechanisms. If Facebook disappeared tomorrow a hundred federated online platforms to function as generic address books and life-updaters would crop up over night, and just about every one of them would be better.

You would have to look at lines of business like Big Tobacco to find another field of similar moral perfidy.

>>narava+(OP)
While Google and Amazon both have their ethical problems and serious anti-trust issues, Facebook is in a league of its own.

Maybe, but at least Facebook doesn't actively try to manipulate you into believing that they're the "good guys" and "not evil". That's why, after all, my level of respect for FB is still a lot higher than for Google.

>>rsp198+T3
> Maybe, but at least Facebook doesn't actively try to manipulate you into believing that they're the "good guys"

They don't? News to me.

>>rsp198+T3
> Facebook doesn't actively try to manipulate you into believing that they're the "good guys" and "not evil"

Hah, good one!

But just in case you're serious: Did you see Zuckerberg's Senate hearing?

>>bluepr+q4
>> Maybe, but at least Facebook doesn't actively try to manipulate you into believing that they're the "good guys"

> They don't? News to me.

News indeed. Being good IS their mission statement. "Facebook's mission is to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together."

>>narava+(OP)
Facebook is just the first that stumbles over all the sh*t that they doing. Amazon with their slavery workforce isn't better and Google was pretty good as keeping everyone happy and creating services but they're as bad as everyone else. I think we will see Google running into similar problems soon. They have also the problem of not having enough guidance anymore, sergey and larry don't care at all and never really wanted to build such a big evil corp. the only one left at the top is sundar but I don't think he can manage to steer such a beast of corporation into shallower water.

but I'm also hoping that it breaks apart and we find a better way then invading peoples privacy to monetize platforms

>>narava+(OP)
What companies offer 500k+ and is ethical?

>>Joakal+ba
Ethical is open for debate..

I work at a big tech thing. But these also do a lot of good.

Facebook keeps me more connected to old friends and family than ever before. It facilities communication and organization of events that would far more time consuming to do without Facebook. I hang out with loved ones more, because pinging them is on Facebook is easy.

Sure, Facebook could be better. IMO ads in messenger is a cheap move, that won't play out well. But Facebook could also be a lot worse than it is.

You're not going to rebuild the world from scratch. Nothing will ever be perfect -- but don't let that get in the way of better. Why not make it better from the inside? How is that not ethical?

>>arez+39
I'd class Google and Amazon as being analogous to an industry like coal, oil, or railroads back in the robber baron days. They bring horrible externalities and dodgy/corrupt influences on our politics, but we also need them to keep the modern world running and build the future. The problems with them are larger problems with how we manage our economy and our industrial and labor policies.

Facebook is more like Big Tobacco. They're purely malignant, continuing solely through adversarial relationships with their users meant to foster addiction or control the revenue streams of key industries like media and news. They're pirates. What benefits they provide, they have only ever made worse than other services and tools that predated them.

>but I'm also hoping that it breaks apart and we find a better way then invading peoples privacy to monetize platforms

Amen to that. Treating attention as a form of currency has been utterly corrosive to society.