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Presumably, but they have a poorly-articulated point -- Cloudflare has an incredible potential for (even unintentional) destructive effect based on their extreme consolidation and centralization of internet technologies. I think a terrific example of this is when they put a DNS server on 1.1.1.1 (in historically unused address space which was assigned to APNIC for research purposes), got a certificate for the IP address, then added that certificate to the Chrome HSTS preload list, meaning people who ended up on captive portals on 1.1.1.1 (and there are a _lot_ of them) couldn't access the internet, because instead of observing what people _actually_ do and paving the cowpaths, they took the point of view that acting against the standards was punishable, and the people being punished are nontechnical folks visiting hotels and airports who are using a modern browser (it has since been removed from the preload list, but if you're foolish enough to visit the site you'll still get HSTS-poisoned).

An even better example, of course, is Cloudbleed, but I guess we've all agreed to pretend that never happened?

>>dogeco+(OP)
Yeah, that's also why I don't like this. Cloudflare showed a lot of positive things, but also what you just mentioned. Centralization and the 1.1.1.1 preload thing. Cloudbleed was bad, but I'm not sure it wasn't just "a bug" like every big company had, this just happened to have a big fallout.

>>dogeco+(OP)
Thank you for articulating these points, agreed. They seem to have an insatiable desire to "become" the internet. I also find it bazaar that their CTO submits every single one of their blog posts to HN. This is the 16th Cloudflare blog post they've posted to HN this week. You would think they might have a marketing budget.

>>bogomi+hc
457 upvotes and 212 comments in less than 20 hours would suggest there is legitimate interest in this announcement.

You are correct that their CTO has submitted 16 posts this week (not all of them from their own blog), but I don't see the harm in that: less than half of them attract any comments at all and quickly slip beneath the waves.

Also, to be fair, it has been an unusually busy week, as they had a "Crypto Week" during which they announced something genuinely interesting each day, and their 8th birthday was a fair excuse for a navel-gazing post.

>>dogeco+(OP)
On the other hand, 1.0.0.0/8 is routable ip space on the internet. I get that it sucked, but, would people have stopped "squatting" for lack of a better way to say it had they not added 1.1.1.1 to the preloaded list?

>>WordSk+OL
>"You are correct that their CTO has submitted 16 posts this week (not all of them from their own blog"

Aside from 1(techcrunch) they are all just posts of their own blog. I would call 15 submissions about your company in 7 days excessive.

If more people start doing this the danger is that HN gets reduced to just another marketing channel. I think that's a reasonable concern.

>>bogomi+Uy1
When we're finding the majority of them interesting, then it's relevant to Hacker News.

The majority of these posts tend to go into deep technological explanations, making it a good fit.