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1. Pyxl10+(OP)[view] [source] 2018-02-15 12:05:33
> Damore’s screed was also rife with fallacies and unsupported generalizations, let’s not forget that

Was it really rife with fallacies? Lee Jussim (professor of social psychology at Rutgers University) wrote:

> The author of the Google essay on issues related to diversity gets nearly all of the science and its implications exactly right.

Geoffrey Miller (evolutionary psychology professor at University of New Mexico) wrote:

> For what it’s worth, I think that almost all of the Google memo’s empirical claims are scientifically accurate.

Debra W Soh (PhD in sexual neuroscience):

> Within the field of neuroscience, sex differences between women and men—when it comes to brain structure and function and associated differences in personality and occupational preferences—are understood to be true, because the evidence for them (thousands of studies) is strong. This is not information that’s considered controversial or up for debate; if you tried to argue otherwise, or for purely social influences, you’d be laughed at.

http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-...

It doesn't seem reasonable to characterize this memo as rife with fallacies or unsupported generalizations when multiple scientists are willing to go on the record saying the memo's science is generally correct. I have not seen similar in-depth rebuttals from other scientists claiming it's wrong. (If anyone knows of one I'd be glad to read it. I have seen brief quotes from scientists in articles written by reporters, but nothing with depth or analysis.)

EDIT: I wish I understood why I've been downvoted so that I could improve my comments in the future. Would anyone be willing to explain the downvote?

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2. drewbu+d4[view] [source] 2018-02-15 13:04:07
>>Pyxl10+(OP)
Fwiw: I think you're being down voted because the citations you mention have all become a part of the controversy rather than being external evidence. Each of the scientists you mentioned above have at times before this controversy shown a willingness to say things specifically to get limelight.

In culture war topics, the only real citations that can count are people above reproach, or people who are unknown but experts in their fields, which is a fine needle to thread. Also raw data, but few of us here would be qualified to understand the raw data.

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3. drewbu+D6[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-02-15 13:26:39
>>drewbu+d4
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I was mostly poking my head in to answer the question of why you're being down voted, IMO. I'm on the opposite side of your understanding of this research based on a cursory glance (nothing says 'unbiased' like including the phrase 'feminist campaigners' in the conclusion of a scientific publication).

This week's Weeds podcast has some interesting alternative theories based on the results from various Scandinavian countries where they legislated some gender equality stuff and it neither worked out as well as people on the left would like, nor as much of a disaster as people on the right predicted.

Reply to a reply, so I'm out, back to what I'm actually good at, building stuff for other humans to use.

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