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1. JorgeG+(OP)[view] [source] 2018-02-15 11:00:57
> Thus gender imbalances [in lower-level technical jobs] don’t have the same supposed impact and perpetuating effect on structural imbalances as those in high-level fields .

Others have commented in this thread how gender-biased attitudes towards engineering fields are present even in young children. There's an obvious connection between this and the fact that when you're a child most of the adults you met in your everyday life practicing technical jobs (plumbers, cable technicians, car mechanics) are male. On the other hand, children see how their pre- and middle- school teachers are mostly female. Thus, children learn by observation that technical job => male.

Yes, neither car mechanics nor pre-school teachers have prestigious, 6-figure salary, PhD level positions, and yet they have a big impact in the perception of gender bias in adult labor when children are growing up and unconsciously cementing their views of the world.

I believe that a big step to close the gender gap in engineering would be young girls watching the super cool woman in the car shop expertly fixing daddy's car.

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2. mantas+w5[view] [source] 2018-02-15 12:25:15
>>JorgeG+(OP)
Or cool dude teaching them at school. More men at education -> more positions in tech for women. As well as more women looking for these positions.

Can't wait for the next campaign to make men 50:50 in kindergardens and schools!

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3. kirill+Qi[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-02-15 14:40:16
>>mantas+w5
It's when you talk about young men in kinder gardens that you realize how ridiculous this whole discussion truly is. There will never be 50:50 young men to young women in kinder gardens. Not even 20:80. That much is obvious.

Most young men do not like to be with children. Most young women do not like working in car repair. While none of these claims are sufficiently substantiated in research, if the first can be true, then surely the second one can be, as well?

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4. imarti+Jo[view] [source] 2018-02-15 15:19:34
>>JorgeG+(OP)
"Yes, neither car mechanics nor pre-school teachers have prestigious, 6-figure salary, PhD level positions, and yet they have a big impact in the perception of gender bias in adult labor when children are growing up and unconsciously cementing their views of the world."

Seen from that perspective, I agree. Still, in the eyes of those being referred to in the argument I criticized, fighting over high level positions likely promises higher returns - or at least appears to do that. Whether this then actually turns out to be true is a different story. Right now it doesn't even look like it, as pointed out in the article. Maybe indeed, starting at the bottom, with low level tech jobs, would be a better way to go. However, it would also take much longer. Some are impatient. Considering the accelerating progress in tech, I can understand that impatience.

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5. mantas+cw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-02-16 00:25:53
>>kirill+Qi
IMO the only reason is that IT looks relatively clean and easy job for nice money.

Although after working in the field for over a decade, I don't really think that's true. While it's clean physically, mentally it's totally different story. Personally I'm on the line if I want to keep doing what I love or if I switch to something more sane.

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