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It's not "broadening" the conversation. What you're doing is recentering the conversation as a "Men are victims of women too!"

As a rhetorical device, it's so common it has a name. It's called "derailing".

>>beat+(OP)
It’s fascinating and telling that this comment was heavily downvoted, but not surprising. What’s a bit sad is that in that flurry of attempts to disappear your comment, no one had a reply.

This seems to be a pattern on HN.

Edit @ Brucephillips:

What beat is effectively saying is "Keep your mouth shut about your victimization. We're talking about ours right now." Is it surprising that that sort of callousness would be downvoted?

By the kind of people who would yell at an anorexic support group for saying that their attempts to derail said meeting with their traumatic history of obesity, was inappropriate? No. You’re a smart bunch, but I’ve figured out the reason that you all talk about “soft skills” like some kind of distant light you could never hope to approach.

Is it ironic that a discussion of women trying to establish a site for their own use leads to a subset of this site reacting badly? No.

Am I surprised that any time a group tries to address issues which disproportionately harm them, they get the “all lives matter!” attack? Also no.

I’m no longer surprised when people act like children because they don’t understand how to relate to others, or feel an overweening need to make any conversation about them.

Thanks for asking.

Edit 2: Rate limited.

>>QAPere+kk
What beat is effectively saying is "Keep your mouth shut about your victimization. We're talking about ours right now."

Is it surprising that that sort of callousness would be downvoted?

>>QAPere+kk
Why not just reply to me instead of editing your post?

>>beat+(OP)
Have an upvote. I agree. While men no doubt are victims as well, does there always have to be that comment? I mean the thread is about a community for women....

>>brucep+yn
In the hope you wouldn't reply, perhaps?

>>beat+(OP)
I didn't read it as an attempt to derail or recenter anything, just as another data point. But i also don't agree that we are in a position to just refer to harassment as 'people treating each other badly' or whatever, given that in a situation where a person is being sexually harassed, the harasser is overwhelmingly likely to be male.