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1. legohe+(OP)[view] [source] 2017-12-09 17:51:36
Ellison is the kind of guy who lands his private jet late at night, knowing he will have to pay fines for night noise, then sues over it.
replies(2): >>andrew+K >>mc32+v1
2. andrew+K[view] [source] 2017-12-09 18:01:05
>>legohe+(OP)
I hadn't heard of this, but it's true: www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Judge-clears-Ellison-for-landing-at-night-2909426.php
replies(2): >>oh_sig+O2 >>revela+T4
3. mc32+v1[view] [source] 2017-12-09 18:11:14
>>legohe+(OP)
I think the google guys did the same, no? Not that it makes the behavior better or normalizes it, but just that he's not the single exception.
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4. oh_sig+O2[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-12-09 18:23:53
>>andrew+K
Ehh...Larry has a point. If you care about noise levels, don't use weight as a proxy - just use noise levels. Why can a big, quiet plane not land at night, but a tiny noisy plane can?
replies(2): >>hawkic+98 >>smithe+X8
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5. revela+T4[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-12-09 18:47:11
>>andrew+K
"It is regrettable that a dispute about one airplane has consumed so large a quantity of human and economic resources and that the parties have found compromise so difficult"

So much hate. Just because someone has enough money to file a lawsuit and keep it alive for years doesn't mean the other side should somehow be penalized for not compromising with the fool.

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6. hawkic+98[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-12-09 19:16:45
>>oh_sig+O2
Noise is ephemeral and therefore harder to prove.
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7. smithe+X8[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-12-09 19:24:34
>>oh_sig+O2
As the other guy says, it's hard to prove in court which noise came from which plane, but besides that, they may have used weight as a proxy for distinguishing between military and civilian aircraft ("tiny noisy planes" tending to be military), and, also, perceived loudness[1] is a function of both decibel level[2] and pitch[3] (that is, a whistle will be at a higher decibel level than a drum we perceive as equally "loud"). It's intuitively plausible that larger planes tend to make lower-pitched sounds.

[1] amplitude

[2] amplitude * frequency

[3] frequency

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