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You can make a a native app, which will always be better than a webapp. As an iOS user, I have no intention of ever using webapps (including things like Cordova apps). If you can’t be bothered to make a iOS-native app with iOS native look, feel and features then just don’t bother.

>>Aaargh+(OP)
But it means learning something other than JS!

It feels like many developers are adamant to never leave their comfort zone. Hence, JS everywhere.

>>Aaargh+(OP)
As an iOS user, do you ever use websites that are more than plain hypertext, even if they don't try to have an iOS native look?

>>euyyn+si
A website is not an app. Not sure why I need to explain that.

>>Aaargh+Is
Because some websites like forums, email clients, chats, calendars, stores, etc. are definitely applications, even though they're still websites and not native apps.

>>euyyn+si
I think for most people, the answer is a resounding yes.

>>Aaargh+(OP)
A native app will never have instant install, or update without download. A native app will never be available on all platforms.

Sometimes a native app is better, sometimes it is worse. It's certainly better if all you care about is fancy animations.

>>Aaargh+Is
Sure they are. Web sites are a subset of apps.

>>erikpu+qU
Is anyone demanding instant install or updates ?

I can download 95% of apps in under 30 seconds and all of my apps update whilst I am sleeping. And nothing is stopping you downloading new content in a native app which is where the majority of use cases stem from.

>>erikpu+qU
> A native app will never have instant install, or update without download.

So ? Updates happen automatically anyway.

> A native app will never be available on all platforms.

I don’t need it on all platforms, I only use iOS.

>>erikpu+BU
No they aren’t. Websites are a subset of documents, not apps.

>>ivm+Z4
Coders like to code. Product builders want to build products with a minimum of fuss.

>>gpawl+i42
Then they should use other technologies in the first place because web development ecosystem adds too much fuss to the process.

Also product builders usually want to provide good user experiences. You may be saving yourself from some additional code but delivering battery draining solutions with non-native UI patterns and broken accessibility to your users.

>>Aaargh+QF1
You're using one right now as a forum, to communicate your thoughts.

>>Aaargh+QF1
C++ files are documents too.

>>Aaargh+ed1
Instant install is just a better experience. Going in and out of the App Store is a pointless step.

>>threes+371
No one will demand it. You're just giving your users a worse experience. App store developers are people who have given up on speed. Y'all think a 30 second delay between screens with several pointless clicks is an acceptable user experience. It's sad.

>>erikpu+GR3
So because you want to provide a better UX for the one time you install the app, you want to sacrifice the UX of every single time you actually use the app. That makes no sense at all.

>>Aaargh+X24
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Which UX issues are insurmountable in a web app?

Generally speaking, they can all be worked around by a good designer. The inferior install, update, and cross platform experience for native apps can't be worked around.

Are you talking about like realtime video authoring apps or games? I'll admit in those categories the web is often not the best choice.

>>erikpu+hP5
> I'm not sure what you're referring to. Which UX issues are insurmountable in a web app?

You can get close to the look & feel of native app, but you can never get there.