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1. anewac+(OP)[view] [source] 2008-02-16 22:10:45
Who is this guy and what authority does he have to write about these topics? I haven't read the essay, but there's no way anything so short and written in such an informal style could have anything useful to say about such and such topic, when people with degrees in the subject have already written many thick books about it.
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2. shafqa+1[view] [source] 2008-02-16 22:12:03
>>anewac+(OP)
Funny...
3. dfrank+2[view] [source] 2008-02-16 22:15:24
>>anewac+(OP)
Where can I get a degree in trolling?
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4. jcwent+d[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-16 22:35:55
>>dfrank+2
I'd try Hampshire College, UC Santa Cruz, or the New School.
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5. serhei+h2[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-17 02:40:47
>>dfrank+2
Not very many places give out diplomas, but if you want to get a job at a trolling company, you can just practice on pretty much any forum. Eventually hundreds of people will know you're a troll, giving you hundreds of references to take to a potential employer. Just make sure you don't ever accidentally post anything that actually contributes to the discussion.
6. dcurti+t3[view] [source] 2008-02-17 04:59:08
>>anewac+(OP)
So apparently Paul can't keep trolling from happening on News.YC afterall.

But, as anewaccountname shows, at least the trolls here do it with style. Well played, anewaccountname.

7. baddox+C4[view] [source] 2008-02-17 07:18:32
>>anewac+(OP)
Common sense speaks for itself. The article really isn't about stating empirical observations and citing sources. i find it to be a well-worded summary of the thought of me and probably many members of online communities.
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8. nostra+J4[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-17 07:40:54
>>jcwent+d
If you do go to Hampshire, take International Relations. Fun times.
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9. anupam+A6[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-17 13:00:26
>>dfrank+2
devry ?
10. fiaz+H7[view] [source] 2008-02-17 16:34:15
>>anewac+(OP)
I also wonder how much of a contributing factor people's attempts at humor would spin the dynamics of group discussions out of control. The main reason why I went Slashdot -> Digg -> Reddit -> YCNews (and most likely YCNews -> ? within the next 18 months) was because of all the one-liners I kept reading over and over again of people attempting to be funny.

My thinking is along the lines of UserXYZ posts something humorous and gets 150 points. This causes others who feel they have a funny bone as well to pile in and attempt similarly witty remarks (which are initially harmless or contribute positively); but then you have an avalanche of users who become aspiring comedians on the message boards they frequent. I sometimes feel that these types tend to herd together and give each other a reason to continue with their behaviour by giving one another a few up-votes out of sympathy...

I would also say that the competitive nature of men in general (I'm a dude, and I won't assume anything on behalf of the women here) would contribute to certain sub-groups within this population with an increasing need to out-do one another. Thus a majority of the discussion devolves to one-liners and people trying to be funny, when all they do is come across as cynical while at the same time contributing little value.

In addition, attempts to be funny on a message board are somewhat akin to guessing on questions on your SAT exam: there is no penalty for trying. Whereas weakly setup arguments can carry a penalty of getting a barrage of refutations making yourself look (or perhaps more closer to the truth - FEEL) intellectually weaker.

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11. foonam+39[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-17 19:47:20
>>fiaz+H7
I think that Slashdot overall still has the highest quality comments. You just have to sort by score, and do a -2 funny modifier. The site instantly becomes much much better. Stay away from the new ajaxy score slider system.
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12. fiaz+Hc[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-18 04:38:23
>>foonam+39
Interesting. I wonder how Slashdot maintains a high level of commenting over time. Thanks for the tip. Perhaps I'll revisit them in 18 months...

;)

(This place is too cool at the moment!)

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13. johnno+gg[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-18 15:56:32
>>jcwent+d
As a New School student, I can only say... well... okay yes, you're probably right. It's great fun though. I can't imagine hating school anywhere else.
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14. fiaz+yz[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-02-20 01:41:33
>>fiaz+H7
This thread is two days old, but I wanted to put some content in relation to the behaviour of "trolling" to my comment above. I would add being quick to judge as yet another dynamic that adds little value and can cause positive dynamics to devolve. I volunteer myself as an example in the following link:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=119120

I put forth a great deal of skepticism regarding a product and actually got a response from one of the founding members of the company. It turns out that they actually had a real product that shows a great deal of promise...

This just goes to show that sometimes being quick to judge can have drastic consequences for others. I would argue that this is a form of trolling when a great deal of skepticism mixed with anecdotal information from the past (which has nothing to do with the present as things are more mutually exclusive than we would otherwise like to believe) leads to quick karma points and increased skepticism on behalf of other members.

"I for one welcome our new overlords". Oops wait, wrong context. What I meant to say is that being quick to judge is in many ways similar to the reactionary "comedic lashing out" I was citing in the comedic trolling above and can often times lead to making yourself look foolish at no cost to nobody but yourself (as immortalized by Kent Brockman in the above opening sentence of this paragraph!).

Like the comedic attempts above, this is not something that can be easily controlled. Rather this requires restraint exercised on behalf of the author of any given comment. One thing that I feel works against this all is the fact that the anonymity of the internet often affords people to keep doing what they are doing.

The fact that I'm using my real name online (for the first time mind you) is causing me to respond more deeply to this issue and to the open (and unfair) skepticism I was voicing in another thread. Definitely a tougher thing to do...definitely worth it.

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15. bishop+VKE[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-08-12 08:03:57
>>dfrank+2
Now that gives me a business idea...

The university of troll. A website where should you supply enough bogus posts, you get posted a certificate... of course you have to pay a course fee. $100 should do it.

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