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1. Pyxl10+(OP)[view] [source] 2015-10-19 01:22:28
Why state-sponsored hacking specifically, as opposed to any (likely) unauthorized access?
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2. A_COMP+6[view] [source] 2015-10-19 01:24:40
>>Pyxl10+(OP)
If they have the information, the heads-up could save a life/personal freedom?
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3. jsprog+7[view] [source] 2015-10-19 01:25:14
>>Pyxl10+(OP)
Also, how will sending a new password to your cell phone help? If you are dealing with state sponsored actors, why not assume they can see all text and email?
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4. digita+h[view] [source] 2015-10-19 01:27:16
>>Pyxl10+(OP)
it's quite obvious, really. Regular unauthorized access means: batten down the hatches, man battle stations, i.e. change password State-sponsored hacking means: delete social media profile, move residence, change phones, start praying, etc ;-)
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5. _bpo+j[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:27:45
>>A_COMP+6
There are many non-state actors who can threaten life/personal-freedom.
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6. Lafore+k[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:27:45
>>jsprog+7
A two-factor authentication token to sent via text, not the actual password.

That said, I find SMS-based 2FA to be pretty dodgy as well. Cloudflare was hacked once by somebody who managed gain access to an admin's mobile phone by social engineering their telco. If a site does not offer TOTP based 2FA I usually don't bother using it.

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7. ryanlo+t[view] [source] 2015-10-19 01:29:00
>>Pyxl10+(OP)
I think they do, they're just being extra helpful here and specifying that they think whoever owned you was a state actor.
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8. jsprog+V[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:39:06
>>Lafore+k
I didn't say the actual password. The page wasn't very forthcoming on all the details, but a 2FAT is typically just a very short, temporary password.
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9. johnco+j1[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:49:43
>>jsprog+7
If the actor is not sponsored by a state that would have easy access to your telecom (e.g. you live in the US but the attack is from a hacker sponsored by China) this is still very helpful.
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10. strang+t1[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:54:30
>>digita+h
James Mickens' "Mossad/not-Mossad" threat model comes to mind: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf
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11. TeMPOr+w1[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:54:54
>>_bpo+j
Not in the same way a state actor can. Especially if it's your own state. An FBI agent won't go to jail for ending your life/personal freedom; he can act in the open.
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12. saryan+A1[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 01:55:43
>>_bpo+j
Yes, but the majority of hacking attempts against Facebook accounts are probably just trying to post ads for knock-off Ray-Bans.
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13. iandan+92[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 02:04:58
>>strang+t1
Thanks for that, it had honestly never occurred to me that murder for the purpose of buying someone's stuff at an estate sale might be a thing. I have updated my will accordingly.
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14. suneil+M2[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 02:24:58
>>Lafore+k
How does TOTP compare to HOTP?
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15. adrian+c3[view] [source] 2015-10-19 02:33:13
>>Pyxl10+(OP)
They already notify you about likely unauthorized access. This is just additional notification for state-sponsored attacks.
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16. vitd+k3[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 02:36:01
>>iandan+92
Seriously? I got through the first page and a half of smarmy pop-culture references and couldn't figure out what the heck the author was talking about, so I just stopped reading. More power to you if you understood it!
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17. TeMPOr+O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 02:44:06
>>vitd+k3
I think it's because of the context it was linked in. Mickens is a pretty smart guy and is known for the series of articles like this one; it's something you read to reflect on in between crying out of laughter.
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18. Lafore+8a[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 04:57:17
>>suneil+M2
HOTP tokens does not expire with time, so there is a bigger risk of them being stolen from transit/storage and successfully used.
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19. wbroni+qa[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-10-19 05:06:42
>>strang+t1
That is an incredible essay. Thanks for posting
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