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1. brianp+(OP)[view] [source] 2015-09-10 23:33:49
I've been tying Ian's "world's fastest shoelace knot" for a few years now. It took me about a week or two to get comfortable with it and it really is amazingly fast.

It's interesting to experience your brain relearning a habit that has become so ingrained. Reminds me of the Smarter Everyday backward bike episode [1]. In fact, I just tried to tie my old 2 loop knot and accidentally tied Ian's knot again.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0

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2. andrew+G2[view] [source] 2015-09-11 00:28:37
>>brianp+(OP)
I've been using it for years too. I like deliberately boring someone by asking them if they want to see me tie my laces. Then I do it, and they're like "wait, let me see that again..."
3. hudibr+r4[view] [source] 2015-09-11 01:04:59
>>brianp+(OP)
I'm also a big Ian knot fan. Saves me two seconds per shoe, that's four seconds per day, 1460 seconds a year, so over the next 50 years that's 20 fewer hours tying my shoes. Boom, LIFEHACK!

Seriously, it's a fun knot to tie and never comes undone.

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4. tzs+fa[view] [source] 2015-09-11 03:15:48
>>brianp+(OP)
Interesting video. I'm somewhat surprised no one has been hurt trying it out at his lectures, though. In some of the clips, the challengers seemed close enough to the edge of the raised stage that with a little bad luck it looked like they could have rolled off the stage or fallen sideways off it.

There are a couple followups that would be interesting.

1. Try this on a tricycle. On a tricycle you steer in the turn direction and do not need to lean, as opposed to a bike where your counter-steer and lean. It would be interesting to see if that less complicated steering interaction would make it easier or quicker to adapt.

2. Try on a bicycle with training wheels, adjusted so you can still lean but aren't going to actually fall over. (This is important because if you can't lean the training wheels have essentially made the bike into a trike and so the experiment has been reduced to #1).

The idea here is that in most of his videos people were failing very fast. They might not be getting a long enough ride each time to provide enough examples of control actions and responses for their brain to learn much.

Perhaps the training wheels would provide longer trials, giving the brain a lot more to work with.

5. dewarr+Ja[view] [source] 2015-09-11 03:24:36
>>brianp+(OP)
Great example of catastrophic interference [0] in the brain! And I like Destin's stuff, but disregard the pop-neuroscience.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophic_interference

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6. daniel+eu[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-09-11 11:26:18
>>hudibr+r4
It's not just faster, it also holds all day. My old nots had to be redone at least once per day.
7. monort+6v[view] [source] 2015-09-11 11:48:33
>>brianp+(OP)
And if you truly want speed, just buy elastic shoe laces. After getting them, I never looked back
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8. talman+JD[view] [source] 2015-09-11 13:56:18
>>brianp+(OP)
I use that knot as well. Not really much of a time saver to me, but it is a better knot than the standard way I was taught as a kid. It rarely comes untied while the old way did several times a day with recent advancements in shoe laces.

I also taught the knot to my 10-year-old just to see what she would make of it. Took her three tries to understand and now that's how she ties her shoes. It seemed much easier to explain than the standard.

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9. pluma+pF[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-09-11 14:15:02
>>monort+6v
I'm a big fan of my Hickies but when I need to wear shoes with laces, I always do the Ian knot.
10. malone+LI[view] [source] 2015-09-11 14:51:25
>>brianp+(OP)
I've just been practicing Ian's fastest knot for the last 10 minutes and I can definitely see the speed advantage already.

My only issue is in keeping the starting knot tight. I usually use the standard shoelace knot which makes it easy to keep tension on the lace at all times, and that keeps the starting knot tight. But I'm finding with Ian's fastest knot I lose tension when I'm pushing the two loops towards each other, which causes the starting knot to loosen slightly. Is that something that can be solved with more practice?

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11. throwa+EK[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-09-11 15:08:40
>>monort+6v
Yep, I've always found shoelaces incredibly... I don't know how to put it, but it's incredible how the existence of elastics is overlooked in the production of shoe fasteners!

I use elastic shoelaces that are always tied. I can put my shoes on in half a second and run out the door and there's no way they're coming off even when I'm running.

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12. c17r+fN[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-09-11 15:34:31
>>malone+LI
Try the Double Start Knot on Ian's page, it holds the tension better

http://fieggen.com/shoelace/doublestartknot.htm

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13. brianp+G31[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-09-11 18:12:16
>>malone+LI
I don't know when I made this change, but apparently I use my middle finger to hold down the starting knot. I tie it exactly as pictured (left hand/yellow string behind, right hand/blue string in front), except starting at step 1 my left hand middle finger is holding down the starting knot. This keeps the tension while tying the knot.
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