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1. hnburn+tR[view] [source] 2026-02-02 01:37:14
>>PaulHo+(OP)
Related, TIL the US is effectively banning residential electric resistance water heaters in 2029, with heat pump water heaters being the only type that can meet the new standards. Users will see a 2-3x in cost difference and a 3 to 8 year payback on savings.
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2. cucumb+FV[view] [source] 2026-02-02 02:14:07
>>hnburn+tR
Is that 2-3x before or after the plumber marks it up?

What an exceptionally moronic thing to ban, the market solves this naturally. Resistance heaters are 100% efficient whatever fraction of the year is heating days. So if that's 1/2 the year and the water heater can't last 16yr because of water quality the heat pump heater will never pay you back.

This reminds me a lot of the time some jerks in west coast desert states convinced the feds to regulate plumbing fixtures so that eastern "we take from the river and put back in the river" municipalities that have more water than they know what to do with have to suffer through low flow everything.

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3. direwo+PI1[view] [source] 2026-02-02 11:11:10
>>cucumb+FV
Is the heat pump heater taking heat from inside or outside the house?
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4. lm2846+OK1[view] [source] 2026-02-02 11:32:51
>>direwo+PI1
Depends on the model, but a lot use the air from their own room, that's why they can't be installed in small rooms. Models pulling the heat from outside are more expensive and require more labor obviously, and they don't make a lot of sense for places that are bellow 0c multiple month a year as the COP will drop to 1.x and you will most likely need extra electricity for the anti frost cycles
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5. Alexan+UD3[view] [source] 2026-02-02 21:44:28
>>lm2846+OK1
But dumping the waste cold air into the house when it's below 0C outside doesn't make much sense either.
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6. wffurr+K64[view] [source] 2026-02-02 23:35:01
>>Alexan+UD3
You already dump waste hot air into your kitchen from the refrigerator during the summer. Is this much different?

It does seem a little silly to have these chains of heat pumps all working in various directions. I read about "cold district heat" in a sibling comment which circulated lukewarm water to use as a heat sink or source with heat pumps. Maybe something similar could be done with a water or refrigerant loop through the house. Probably not economical to do all the plumbing though.

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