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1. hexbin+uk[view] [source] 2025-11-01 13:30:10
>>nh4321+(OP)
> “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,”

This is "computer says no (not a citizen)". Which is horrifying

They've just created an app to justify what they were already doing right? And the argument will be "well it's a super complex app run by a very clever company so it can't be wrong"?

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2. im3w1l+sa1[view] [source] 2025-11-01 19:49:10
>>hexbin+uk
> > “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,”

When they decide that someone is in the US illegaly using the app... what happens? Is the person apprehended? Driven straight to the border? Taken into custody while more data about them is gathered?

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3. pbhjpb+NL1[view] [source] 2025-11-02 01:10:03
>>im3w1l+sa1
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that this is a legal process. This is all so contrary to the established laws of the USA legal system that the Trump's military will not even show their faces.

There's no "custody", these people aren't being afforded the Constitutional, legal, or human rights. This is internment by militarised fascist gangs.

"Officer", ha. These are people given a gun and told to go out and brutalise others. There not performing an office of state, they're far outside the law. All, it seems, to try and force those who support democracy to step out of line so Trump/Vance and their handlers can have more people killed and claim civil war is getting in the way of having elections.

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4. refurb+JY1[view] [source] 2025-11-02 04:26:27
>>pbhjpb+NL1
That’s not true at all.

If the computer says you’re in the US illegally, but you have documents that say you are a US citizen, then you are put in custody until the discrepancy can be resolved.

It really depends on whether or not there is a standing deportation order for that person. If not, then it’s a lengthy process where you appear in front of a judge who may release you (yes, low risk aliens are still being released) or held in custody until the trial is held.

If you have a standing deportation order, and your identity is confirmed, then yes, you may be deported quite quickly.

No due process is being denied. If you have a standing deportation order, you can be deported.

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5. nerdsn+f02[view] [source] 2025-11-02 04:56:26
>>refurb+JY1
> No due process is being denied.

Readers are likely to interpret this generally and it may act as a lightning rod - the statement may need some qualifiers to define what is not denying due process.

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6. refurb+Ca2[view] [source] 2025-11-02 07:43:56
>>nerdsn+f02
Ok, I'll revise it to "no due process is regularly being denied".
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