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>>tokai+(OP)
In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety.

Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?

>>Centig+jh
This is a defeatist and damaging attitude. It detracts from the core issue at hand, which is EU government forcing code being run in private messaging apps over data before it is encrypted. It defeats the security model of end to end encrypted messaging, and leads to a society that cannot trust its communications against government interference ever again.

One can criticize analysis of mass surveillance of metadata and encrypted channels, but this is something else.

>>ragmod+Si
Australia already has this capability and is likely using it for 5 Eyes nations. Questioning the desire to surveil seems on topic when this is pretty much everywhere already.

>>protoc+vC
Australia can’t get technical capability notices for anything that matters, maybe some local trash only. (Don’t use Australian software or products folks).

American tech will tell them to pound sand, and you got another international incident in the media.