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>>segfau+(OP)
Why do people use obvious spyware when free software exists?

>>isatty+xi
Telemetry isn't the same thing as spying on the user. People use it because it's not actually spying on them.

>>charci+Zj
It is literally spying on the user.

Unless you're somehow saying telemetry doesn't report anything about what a user is doing to it's home server.

>>malfis+Ok
In my mind, the difference is that spying does or can contain PII, or PII can be inferred from it, where telemetry is incapable of being linked to an individual, to a reasonable extent.

>>nomel+Fl
Every single piece of telemetry sent over the internet includes PII - the IP address of the sender - by virtue of how our internet protocols are designed.

>>gpm+om
> includes PII - the IP address of the sender

Apple provides telemetry services that strips the IP before providing it to the app owners. Routing like this requires trust (just as a VPN does), but it's feasible.

>>nomel+oo
You said it's different from spying because there is no PII in the information. Now you're saying it's different because it's not given to app owners.

Why is it relevant whether they provide it to app owners directly? The issue people have is the information is logged now and abused later, in whatever form.