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>>pyman+(OP)
Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated.

Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.

>>pyman+1
At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Profiting from piracy is a whole other level beyond just pirating a book.

>>origin+n3
This isn't really profiting from piracy. They don't make money off the raw input data. It's no different to consuming for personal use.

They make money off the model weights, which is fair use (as confirmed by recent case law).

>>KoolKa+Qa
This is absurd. Remove all of the content from the training data that was pirated and what is the quality of the end product now?

>>j_w+he
That's the law.

Please keep in mind, copyright is intended as a compromise between benefit to society and to the individual.

A thought experiment, students pirating textbooks and applying that knowledge later on in their work?

>>KoolKa+mf
When you say that's the law, as far as I'm aware a single ruling by a lower court has been issued which upholds that application. Hardly settled case law.

>>j_w+gk
True, until then best to act as if it is the case.

In my opinion, it will be upheld.

Looking at what is stored and the manner which it is stored. It makes sense that it's fair use.

>>KoolKa+3n
We're talking about a summary judgement issued that has not yet been appealed. That doesn't make it "settled."

If by "what is stored and the manner which it is stored" is intended to signal model weights, I'm not sure what the argument is? The four factors of copyright in no way mention a storage medium for data, lossless or loss-y.

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

In my opinion, this will likely see a supreme court ruling by the end of the decade.