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1. phony-+X3[view] [source] 2025-04-23 20:11:49
>>todsac+(OP)
Is this the wrong time to rant about font licensing though? I’ve always bought and paid for fonts, but as I’ve gradually transitioned to mobile app development, I one day realized that all the fonts I bought for print are now worthless to me.

These crazy outdated licenses that let you print as many magazines or books you want forever, for a one-time price. But if your hobby is making apps, then suddenly the same font will cost you 50 times more - for a single year.

I guess these font sellers imagine there’s still some app boom - a Klondike rush with developers bathing in dollars. Maybe if their licenses were more realistic, piracy would be less of a problem.

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2. tptace+He[view] [source] 2025-04-23 21:34:12
>>phony-+X3
There is maybe nothing in the entire world that I am less sympathetic towards than the cause of font piracy / font liberation. You have perfectly good --- in fact, historically excellent --- fonts loaded by default for free on any computer you buy today. Arguing for the oppression of font licenses is, to me, like arguing about how much it costs to buy something at Hermès. Just don't shop at Hermès.
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3. gkober+oj[view] [source] 2025-04-23 22:03:23
>>tptace+He
I agree the average person is likely fine with the fonts on their computer, but this is profoundly misunderstanding the importance of design. Typefaces are incredibly important, and have been for centuries.

I'd argue that complaining about font prices is less like a Hermes bag, and more like complaining about high-end ingredients when a supermarket has cheap stuff. Yes, you can get away with cheaper materials when cooking, but the final product will deeply suffer.

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4. lolind+Bo[view] [source] 2025-04-23 22:44:31
>>gkober+oj
Even under this analogy you're complaining about the price of luxury goods and saying that it's no wonder people shoplift to steal the truffles because they're so darn expensive.

If you can't afford the license for the font, your app is small-time enough that you can make do with one of the many, many high-quality fonts that are available for free, there's no need to pirate it. If your app is big enough that the difference matters, then you can likely afford the sticker price.

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5. gkober+4q[view] [source] 2025-04-23 22:55:47
>>lolind+Bo
No, I'm saying a Michelin chef can complain about a 50x increase in the cost of truffles without negating the fact that a lot of people happily survive on ramen.
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6. gobeng+Mr[view] [source] 2025-04-23 23:07:33
>>gkober+4q
op isn't saying you shouldn't complain. op is saying you shouldn't steal instead of complaining
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7. gkober+xs[view] [source] 2025-04-23 23:13:42
>>gobeng+Mr
I think there's some confusion in who is responding to whom, then. I never said anything about piracy, but the person responding to me may have confused me with the top-level comment.

All I have done is defend the importance of typography, and never mentioned piracy or stealing.

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8. dcow+lH[view] [source] 2025-04-24 02:01:57
>>gkober+xs
Typography is important. So important that we have really good looking fonts available for free. And a custom font isn’t going to be the deciding factor in whether your next AI powered social graph app sinks or floats. Guaranteed.
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9. behrin+gT[view] [source] 2025-04-24 04:53:58
>>dcow+lH
Then why are the fonts so expensive?
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10. ghaff+jZ[view] [source] 2025-04-24 06:03:19
>>behrin+gT
Because designers fuss a lot about nearly undetectable differences in color, fonts, and many other things. Maybe they make a difference in the aggregate. But if you can’t identify the difference between Ariak and Helvetica (to pick a particularly glaring example) you’re probably not one of those designers.
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11. bierca+oe1[view] [source] 2025-04-24 09:13:01
>>ghaff+jZ
I agree. Many people can hardly tell the difference between Arial and Helvetica. There used to be a website where you could test how good you are at telling them apart.

You won't notice many small differences between certain fonts. But that doesn't mean they're unnecessary. As you said, they make a difference when taken together. For screens, there are a number of adjustments and techniques that improve screen readability. Hinting, separate designs, contrast for low dpi and subpixel rendering compatibility, for example. At least some of the optimizations don't work out of the box, but have to be adjusted by designers. That's why it can happen that a font you bought for print media now requires an extra license for websites and apps.

There are plenty of wonderfully readable fonts for the web and apps that are free and sufficient for most projects. If you want something special, I don't think it's wrong to pay for it. Personally, I would prefer more reasonable prices, though.

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12. mark-r+Wv1[view] [source] 2025-04-24 12:08:55
>>bierca+oe1
USED to be a website? Aww, I did pretty well there - going to miss it.
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13. ummonk+303[view] [source] 2025-04-24 21:02:19
>>mark-r+Wv1
No idea which one it was but I found this one and got a perfect score. The difference is pretty obvious... https://www.ironicsans.com/helvarialquiz/index.php
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14. imiric+V43[view] [source] 2025-04-24 21:35:34
>>ummonk+303
Same, 18/20 for me. The all caps on MATTEL got me, and the STAPLES one as well, for some reason.

But the differences on the lowercase "t" and "s", uppercase "g", the number 3, and both upper an lowercase "c", are obvious. Helvetica is much more refined.

There are good reasons why well designed typography is expensive. A lot of thought and effort went into designing every line and curve. Even if most people can't consciously appreciate these details, they experience it subconsciously by how the design makes them feel. This is why brand designers are well paid. Anyone can design a logo, but to make a design that transmits a specific feeling, that requires a lot of skill. And typography is a core component of this.

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