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1. Ukv+rD[view] [source] 2025-01-13 15:49:49
>>crbela+(OP)
> Imagine having to explain to a well-meaning visitor from another planet why using the phrase "people of color" is considered particularly enlightened, but saying "colored people" gets you fired. [...] There are no underlying principles.

To understand much of our language, Gnorts would have to already be aware that our words and symbols gain meaning from how they're used, and you couldn't, for instance, determine that a swastika is offensive (in the west) by its shape alone.

In this case, the term "colored people" gained racist connotations from its history of being used for discrimination and segregation - and avoiding it for that reason is the primary principle at play. There's also the secondary/less universal principle of preferring "person-first language".

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2. blactu+Uq1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:36:40
>>Ukv+rD
He's a smart enough person that even asking that question makes me think the whole piece is written in bad faith. Yes, language evolves and has specific context and nuance.
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3. Levitz+hn2[view] [source] 2025-01-14 00:09:20
>>blactu+Uq1
The point he is making is that it's ultimately absurd to make moral judgements based on word usage.

A person who actively discriminates in hiring against black people but doesn't call anyone a slur is seen as more virtuous as someone who doesn't discriminate, yet uses the slur in jest. The first behavior is seen as more excusable than the second, although an actual reasonable moral judgement makes it evident it's not.

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4. cycrut+qH2[view] [source] 2025-01-14 02:20:03
>>Levitz+hn2
> A person who actively discriminates in hiring against black people but doesn't call anyone a slur is seen as more virtuous as someone who doesn't discriminate, yet uses the slur in jest. The first behavior is seen as more excusable than the second, although an actual reasonable moral judgement makes it evident it's not.

What in the world are you talking about?

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5. Levitz+dy3[view] [source] 2025-01-14 11:10:10
>>cycrut+qH2
Imagine company A and B.

A report comes out, turns out that a certain HR person in company A hasn't hired a single black applicant since they got there.

At the same time, a video comes out showing the equivalent person in company B saying the n word in passing.

In this situation, it's maybe considered that the person in A might be racist, while it's completely assumed the person in B is.

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6. cycrut+Nc4[view] [source] 2025-01-14 15:34:12
>>Levitz+dy3
I swear, you people make up the most creative mental gymnastics to rationalize why you should be allowed to call people the n-word.
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