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1. p4bl0+Ke1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 18:51:26
>>crbela+(OP)
> Twitter, which was arguably the hub of wokeness

This is a fake news. Research shows that Twitter algorithmic amplification favored right-wing politics even before Musk made it even worse. See: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119

> On the other hand, the people on the far left have only themselves to blame; they could tilt Twitter back to the left tomorrow if they wanted to.

Being this much clueless in pg's position is not possible. I can only assume he's consciously lying. He can see front row what Musk does with Twitter and how the "free speech" he's supposedly defending is actually "what Musk likes to hear speech", and he perfectly knows Musk is strongly aligned with the far right that he supports however he can all over the world. See for example: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-dou...

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2. vessen+sk1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:14:16
>>p4bl0+Ke1
Sorry, can you back this up with some data and specificity?

I understand that you feel Musk is aligned with the far right; my question is what exactly is Musk doing with twitter, and (other than when people take the piss against him personally) how is he removing free speech that is not "far right"?

I'm genuinely interested in the details -- and they are hard to come by.

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3. threat+4o1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:27:17
>>vessen+sk1
Elon suspended PG's account just for lightly alluding that another social media platform exists. I'm not sure why you're even bringing up the idea of free speech on Twitter. Can you imagine Discord suspending your account for lightly alluding that Slack exists?
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4. notaha+wr1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:38:49
>>threat+4o1
That's a great example of the insincerity of the PG article. I mean, I can believe there are people that don't pay very much attention to Twitter who genuinely believe that Elon Musk is the sort of free speech absolutist he says he is, but someone who was suspended and then left Twitter because a new Elon censorship policy praising Elon for not censoring anyone is quite funny.
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5. vessen+Mw1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:57:16
>>notaha+wr1
... Or he is well placed to make an even-handed assessment? If your prior is that people generally are smart and have agency, it seems like you might not want to discard pg's opinion out of hand.

Agreed that Elon doesn't seem to be as much of a free speech absolutist as he promised, especially if you hurt his feelings, or seem fun to ban.

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6. notaha+GG1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 20:34:07
>>vessen+Mw1
Well if we agree that Elon's regime is pretty ban-happy (his own published data agrees too), I don't see how we come to the conclusion that a statement praising Elon for making Twitter "neutral" and "without censorship" after literally seeing his posts censored under Elon policy is an "even handed assessment". It's precisely because I think PG is smart and has agency that I assume he's someone that's aware of obvious benefits to ingratiating himself with the new regime rather than oblivious to how Elon actually runs the place.
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