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1. keifer+yW1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 06:26:26
>>jimbob+(OP)
This, along with innumerable other things like lifting the ban on usurious interest rates, is ultimately a consequence of the same phenomenon Nietzsche describes as “the death of God.”

We have forgotten the deeper reasons that certain things were prohibited or discouraged, assuming that these rules were only there because of a belief in a religion society doesn’t follow anymore. That was a naive view and it turns out that many “old” rules are actually pragmatic social codes disguised as beliefs. This isn’t limited to a particular tradition, either: pretty much every major religion has frowned upon things like gambling.

And so in the absence of any real coherent philosophy that aims to deal with complex problems like gambling, addiction, or excessive interest rates, you’re only going to get an expansion of what is already dominant: markets.

Don’t expect this to change until knowledge of ethics and philosophy becomes widespread enough to establish a new mental model for thinking about these issues.

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2. ccppur+OX1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 06:35:37
>>keifer+yW1
I have a trivial example: saying grace. As a lapsed catholic I found all manner of religious traditions extremely tedious as a child and especially as a teenager. I expunged all of them as soon as I turned 18. But recently we have been expressing gratitude before meals. This helps me slow down as I've always been a rapid eater and suffered indigestion; I also enjoy the food more as a result. The grace prayer is gratitude to God in whom I no longer believe. But I think acknowledging the enormous role played by pure chance in our lives is very important.
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3. aprilt+VY1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 06:45:53
>>ccppur+OX1
I am the opposite of you, a lapsed atheist I suppose. And I noticed that among the religious there is an openness to professing gratitude about everything. Amongst my secular friends, there is rarely a time anyone professes thankfulness (outside receiving something new).

It's not as if the latter are ingrates, but the social ritual of showing gratitude is not there among them, and maybe in some small way, that does breed less thankfulness in the long run...

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4. vladms+m12[view] [source] 2024-09-27 07:09:22
>>aprilt+VY1
What is for you the purpose (or result) of (undirected) thankfulness?

I find religious people passionate about following the rituals of their religion (for many more than the intention), in a similar way as atheists are passionate about other rituals (their sport, their eating routines, etc.).

For me the absence of thankfulness equals more with awareness. Should I be thankful I have a house? I prefer to be annoyed other people don't have, or that I can't do better (ex: have a house that generates less carbon, etc.).

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5. ccppur+J34[view] [source] 2024-09-27 20:11:31
>>vladms+m12
I think acknowledging the huge role played by chance in your home ownership (and elsewhere in your life) is very important to stay humble, and to have more correct beliefs and fewer incorrect ones. I call it gratitude.
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6. vladms+Y25[view] [source] 2024-09-28 08:42:44
>>ccppur+J34
Not a native English speaker, but when I hear "thankfulness" I kind of hear "to someone/something" (not that much for "gratitude"). Now "humble" I resonate much more with, but I don't see it connected to "thankfulness". People can be "thankful" to someone and feel very entitled at the same time.

Humans have been fighting against "chance" for the whole evolution (chance of starving if you don't catch something, chance of suffering if you take a bug, etc.). I fully agree, you should not feel responsible for it, but you should not like it (or thank it) either.

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