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[return to "Legalizing sports gambling was a mistake"]
1. mlsu+wN1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 04:51:53
>>jimbob+(OP)
Sports gambling, like all gambling, ruins lives. It's certainly worth having the discussion about whether people should be able to run a train through their life and the lives of their families via app.

But a much easier argument against sports betting is that it ruins the sports. Players throw. They get good at subtly cheating. The gambling apparatus latches itself to the sport, to the teams and players, the umpires and judges, the sporting organizations. With this much money on the line, it's not a matter of if but when games are thrown, cheated -- the bigger the game, the bigger the incentive. It's even easier now because of the amount of side/parlay betting that is available. It exhausts the spirit of competition.

Sports gambling is diametrically opposed to sport itself.

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2. jdietr+182[view] [source] 2024-09-27 08:18:44
>>mlsu+wN1
Sports gambling has been legal in the UK since 1960. Gambling wasn't seriously problematic in this country until 2005, when regulations were substantially liberalised. Pre-2005, sports betting was something that old men did in dingy backstreet shops; post-2005, it became a widespread social phenomenon, turbocharged by advertising and the growing influence and accessibility of the internet.

There's a false dichotomy between prohibition and laissez-faire, which the US seems particularly prone to. You've seen similar issues with the decriminalisation of cannabis, where many states seem to have switched abruptly from criminalisation to a fully-fledged commercial market. There is a broad spectrum of other options in between those points that tend to be under-discussed.

You can ban gambling advertising, as Italy did in 2019. You can set limits on maximum stakes or impose regulations to make gambling products less attractive to new customers and less risky for problem gamblers. You can have a single state-controlled parimutuel operator. Gambling does cause harm - whether it's legal or not - but it is within the purview of legislators to create a gambling market in which harm reduction is the main priority.

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3. riffra+2o2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 10:38:43
>>jdietr+182
I agree with you 100% but just one thing of note

> You can ban gambling advertising, as Italy did in 2019

this has been widely sidestepped, betting companies now advertise something like "sport-results.com" and then that one has a prominent link to the betting site.

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4. sva_+9q2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 10:54:48
>>riffra+2o2
Isn't sport-results.com then advertising for gambling, which should be illegal?!
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5. LadyCa+Uv2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 11:35:54
>>sva_+9q2
If someone posts a link to a gambling site on Facebook, should Facebook be banned?
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6. TimPC+Ez2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 12:00:22
>>LadyCa+Uv2
You probably don’t ban Facebook as a whole but if they fail to crack down on gambling links that violate advertising laws or allow gambling companies to advertise in spite of those laws they probably face heavy fines from regulators.
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7. mminer+bR2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 13:50:29
>>TimPC+Ez2
I think the issue he's raising is how you define advertising though. Is texting your friend a link advertising? What about posting a link on a forum? On Wikipedia? On your portfolio? On your footer? On your nav bar?

I think everyone agrees the name should not be damnatio memoriae nor should you be able to link to a click-wrapper, but people will always push the gray area in between as far as they can for that kind of money.

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