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1. shadow+T8[view] [source] 2024-01-30 16:40:20
>>toomuc+(OP)
I hate to ask a stupid question, but... So what?

The housing prices are extraordinary and the cost for people to live so far north is significant. Maybe we don't need a lot of people being born up north. There's certainly enough people on the planet to make up for any headcount-shortfall with immigration (and in Norway in particular, quite a few people born there move away these days because cost of living is so high).

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2. bequan+Dp[view] [source] 2024-01-30 17:50:51
>>shadow+T8
This is assuming that all people/groups are essentially equally productive, which is not true.

People in more developed countries are >10x more productive than people in undeveloped countries.

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3. shadow+Pq[view] [source] 2024-01-30 17:55:52
>>bequan+Dp
So they move to Norway to make up the shortfall and become more productive. It's not like the magic of birth is what makes people in more developed countries 10x more productive.
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4. bequan+qx[view] [source] 2024-01-30 18:27:35
>>shadow+Pq
I don’t follow.

Your original post was saying that it is OK for population decline in the northern countries because it is too expensive to live there. And population growth in other (less productive) countries is fine because it evens out.

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5. shadow+Cy[view] [source] 2024-01-30 18:32:46
>>bequan+qx
Two forces at play here:

1) There's no set "right number" of people who should be living in northern countries, no rule that says we need to replace every emigrant (or unborn person) with an immigrant. If it's too expensive to live up north, maybe just... Fewer people just live up north.

The population of Norway, right now, is higher than it's ever been in the country's history. Maybe a population decline looks more like a correction to a "right" amount?

2) To the extent that more people are needed, one can assume that the headcount shortfall from lower birth rate will be filled with skilled immigrants who like the climate and bring a competency that creates enough value to afford the cost of living.

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6. CRConr+Im6[view] [source] 2024-02-01 14:14:18
>>shadow+Cy
> the headcount shortfall from lower birth rate will be filled with skilled immigrants who like the climate

NOBODY likes the climate.

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7. shadow+ha7[view] [source] 2024-02-01 18:14:24
>>CRConr+Im6
Bah, that's not true. I happen to find it quite stimulating.

There's no bad weather, just bad clothing. ;)

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