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>>xbar+(OP)
The primary problem was always that there are too many parties who have an interest in the existence of Hamas.

Put differently, there are too many parties with an interest in using the Palestinians as pawns. Leaving aside the views of any specific Palestinian. As no serious person can dispute the ease of radicalizing destitute people without educations and with PTSD.

As long as this is the case, the Palestinians, on the whole, will present as radicalized.

The continued goal can't be to use them as pawns. The goal has to be to peacefully save every last remaning Palestinian life, at all costs. In spite of the interests of any of the people who use them.

Accomplishing that goal, at all peaceful costs, will be distasteful to both the people who want to sacrifice the Palestinians for Islamic land interests as well as to the people who see them as, at minimum, legitimate collateral damage.

But that is what will be required to take Palestinian civilians out of the middle of this endless nightmare.

>>mrangl+k52
The problem is tribalism. The primary goal is exclusive dominion, but a distant secondary goal of political and militaristic domination will suffice in the meantime. These aren’t my thoughts or conclusions but the stated goals of several of Israel’s most senior politicians, saying something to the effect of removing the inhabitants so that they can make the desert blossom.

The problems here can be solved peacefully and permanently if the dominant faction so wished. The most durable solution is to tear down the walls, annex the occupied territories, and make the Palestinian residents full and equal citizens of Israel. Israel has stated as much directly but refuses that solution because they fear their tribal identity will not longer be a numerical majority. Another less durable solution is a two state solution in opposition to military dominance, but Israel does not want that either. Tribalism. The parallels to the conflict in the Balkans, which was ruled a genocide, are many.

>>austin+fq2
Your solution is to make Jews a minority in their own country? The entire reason Israel was created is to have a safe place for Jews to exist and having the power to defend themselves.

Imagining that just “tearing down the walls”, and “why can’t we all just gel along” will work is pretty naive, especially considering history .

>>halfli+0t2
The solution is to end tribalism, and nothing more. The rest of your comment imagines and argues against something not stated.

Do you want peace or domination? You can’t have both, and that is not naive.

>>austin+Yv2
Tribalism is human nature. You simply can’t end it. And pointing it as a solution for the Palestinian problem is just as likely as “saying let’s colonize mars”, both are very nice ideas, but only feasible in movies.

>>halfli+xK2
What’s your solution? Domination does not appear to be working on any level and has severely eroded Israel’s credibility with its allies.

Qualifying apartheid and sadist acts as human nature or that solving problems is too tough to bother trying sounds pretty weak. These are positions guilty people take to excuse bad behavior.