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1. indymi+79[view] [source] 2024-01-24 17:25:53
>>nickth+(OP)
I'm completely ok with the police asking me for video from my doorbell. I'm not ok with the police using the third party doctrine and asking the hosting service for my video without asking me. That video is every bit my property as the files in my desk drawer and should be subject to the same protections.
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2. _heimd+Ul[view] [source] 2024-01-24 18:20:39
>>indymi+79
We'd be much better off as a society if more of our governing systems were voluntary. That's no silver bullet for sure, but it would go pretty damn far.

One of the more ridiculous examples I have come across, unpasteurized milk. In the US, as well as Canada and other western countries I believe, it is illegal to sell raw milk for human consumption. Meaning that if I have a neighbor with a milk cow, I can't buy a gallon of milk from them to drink or cook with. Stores can obviously do what they want, and requiring FDA certification for example would effectively block raw milk from stores. But why can't I choose to ignore FDA guidelines meant for industrial milk production and just buy a damn gallon of milk from a local farm?

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3. patmor+uO[view] [source] 2024-01-24 20:54:54
>>_heimd+Ul
We have pasteurization for a reason mate. Raw milk goes bad pretty quickly, even in our modern, cleaner farm system. 3 day old raw milk, even if kept perfectly chilled can be deadly.
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4. _heimd+O81[view] [source] 2024-01-24 22:57:37
>>patmor+uO
Have you actually tested this?

We have dairy cows these days. Raw milk straight from the cow takes an extremely long time to actually spoil in a dangerous sense. If left out it will sour and eventually separate, while it isn't usually what a person would want to eat it isn't dangerous. It absolutely doesn't go bad in a fridge, we've had jars in the fridge for weeks with absolutely no problem.

3 day old, unrefrigerated pasteurized milk is absolutely dangerous, don't drink it. Pasteurization of milk became commonplace as a solution for shipping milk long distances and storing it in warehouses for days or weeks. If pasteurized and managed properly the flavor won't changed. Raw milk will effectively ferment at room temp as the lactic acid bacteria begins to consume lactose. The byproducts aren't dangerous and are effectively the curds and whey that Little Miss Muffet told us all about, that's just not what you want to find in a jug of milk at the store.

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