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1. indymi+79[view] [source] 2024-01-24 17:25:53
>>nickth+(OP)
I'm completely ok with the police asking me for video from my doorbell. I'm not ok with the police using the third party doctrine and asking the hosting service for my video without asking me. That video is every bit my property as the files in my desk drawer and should be subject to the same protections.
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2. smolde+Jg[view] [source] 2024-01-24 17:56:56
>>indymi+79
It's a mistake to trust a cloud service with your data and expect no one to take advantage of the fact that they are the ones holding it.
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3. mlyle+Qi[view] [source] 2024-01-24 18:05:01
>>smolde+Jg
Yah, that's not the problem he's referencing.

He's referencing that we have early 20th and late 19th century case law about third parties holding documents, etc, that is used to make everything sitting at a cloud service subject to subpoena without a warrant (email, etc, too).

There's all kinds of precedent that was based on sane tradeoffs for the 1800's that doesn't make sense anymore with the more complicated ways we transact and interact and with the ability of technology to commit mass surveillance.

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4. goodSt+tj[view] [source] 2024-01-24 18:07:36
>>mlyle+Qi
But if Western countries really had liberal principles of democracy and freedom why do we not already have these protections?
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5. graeme+Pp[view] [source] 2024-01-24 18:37:31
>>goodSt+tj
I think we are moving away from some of those principles, particularly with regard to privacy and the balance between individual rights vs society/government.

Attitudes have changed a lot.There is an episode of Yes Minister where the minister does not want to push a shared govt database law because of privacy concerns. Another where the idea of ID cards is called political suicide. Absolutely true at the time, but the former is happening, and the latter is still not with us the UK but its no longer unacceptable to push the idea.

Kids are growing up expecting to be tracked (a lot of parents use "apps" to track what their kids do) so it will become even more normalised. People are used to being tracked as the tradeoff for map apps. There is a lot of surveillance anyway (CCTV and face recognition, number plate recognition, paying by card) so its already normal

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6. goodSt+XM[view] [source] 2024-01-24 20:46:41
>>graeme+Pp
If western leaders today believed in individual rights they could ban facial recognition, license plate readers and require businesses to take cash right now. Why do you think they don’t?
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