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1. Scubab+2n[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:46:21
>>anigbr+(OP)
I have no skin in this game.

What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October.

Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

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2. Reptil+oy[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:35:59
>>Scubab+2n
>Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

Okay - then what should be Israel's response? For me what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have. Hamas is Gaza's government. Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure. Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you target Hamas. And it was Hamas that made sure with organized rape, torture and atrocities on Oct 7 that it can't be overlooked or forgiven.

Here is a good rule of thumb - if you are going to stir shit - stick to just killing. Don't livestream torture and rape, so diplomacy will have something to work with.

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3. underl+cD[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:56:47
>>Reptil+oy
>Okay - then what should be Israel's response?

The same response I have concluded should have been the US' response to 9/11: turn the other cheek, and invest heavily in reconciling with "enemy" forces while rebuilding "enemy" infrastructure and institutions, while dealing with individual bad actors on a case-by-case basis as a matter of legal (rather than martial) procedure.

And I'm not joking.

I feel bad for Israelis who have let their government doom them to a generation of government mismanagement and expensive, arduous military adventure. My single-payer health insurance and my friends' free college education went into a couple Patriot missiles, and I do wonder what they're going to have to give up.

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4. sebzim+EI[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:22:57
>>underl+cD
Under your plan, how many instances of oct 7 do you think Israel should tolerate before they rethink things?
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5. underl+0o1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 02:50:07
>>sebzim+EI
Under my plan, reconciliation and shared prosperity makes more instances of oct 7 terminally unworkable for any who would attempt them. There haven't been too many Pearl Harbor reduxes, if I'm not mistaken.
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6. sebzim+0T1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 08:36:50
>>underl+0o1
Is it your understanding that America turned the other cheek after Pearl Harbor?
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7. underl+Dx7[view] [source] 2023-12-11 15:55:21
>>sebzim+0T1
We (despite our best efforts) did not create a situation where Japan felt it necessary to enter into a multi-generational blood feud. Something about ending the occupation and providing economic support.

Admittedly, some of this could credibly be attributed to some aspect of Japanese culture and its approach to defeat. On the other hand, we made a point not to bomb Kyoto because of its status as an important historical and cultural treasure. Meanwhile, in Palestine: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218384968/mosque-gaza-omari-...

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