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1. billpg+m2[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:08:48
>>anothe+(OP)
Innovation....

I saw a fridge that had an app so you could control it from anywhere.

My requirements for a fridge are remarkably simple, to the point the only practical use I could think of an app was alarm that I'd left the door open or something.

(If this particular app did have a door-open alarm, it wasn't on the list of features. It did say you could adjust the temperature from your office. A location I'm often worrying about the fridge.)

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2. varjag+K2[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:11:49
>>billpg+m2
Mine has a camera that shows you the contents of the fridge. It's been useful on many occasions.
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3. ekianj+U2[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:12:39
>>varjag+K2
Helpful to save you three steps and a lift of a hand to see whats inside?
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4. ArnoVW+k3[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:15:29
>>ekianj+U2
I imagine the use case is more one of “I’m in the supermarket and I need to know if I have enough xyz left”
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5. the_ot+A7[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:43:36
>>ArnoVW+k3
These two solutions are more fun.

- make something else

- buy more regardless and make a larger batch

They have fewer points of technical failure; they don’t create security attack surface; they save bandwidth; they get you talking to your friends, family or neighbours more; most food waste biodegrades, so it’s not really “waste”.

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6. yjftsj+Za[view] [source] 2023-11-27 09:08:31
>>the_ot+A7
> most food waste biodegrades, so it’s not really “waste”

If your argument requires saying it's fine to just throw out food, maybe you should reconsider.

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7. hef198+nd[view] [source] 2023-11-27 09:22:49
>>yjftsj+Za
What litte food is wasted because people buy stuff they alrwady have by forgetting what's in the fridge pales in comparison the necessary effort and resources spent in building and installing cameras un a fridge and run the infrastructure necessary to connect those cameras to a phone over the internet.
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8. ArnoVW+px[view] [source] 2023-11-27 12:11:08
>>hef198+nd
for sure I haven't run the numbers, but I think you may be underestimating the impact of food spillage / waste. Not only is spillage huge in the US [1], but one has to take into account where the loss is.

A pepper that you buy, cook and then throw away represents a considerable investment:

  * you spent energy cooking it
  * your supermarket had to stock / refrigerate 1.x pepper to sell you 1.0, because of spillage
  * the pepper had to be transported from the land, to and fro various logistic centers (sometimes 100's of miles)
  * the farmer had to grow 2.x or even 3.x peppers to sell 1.0, because of esthetics (unfortunately) .. meaning often esticides, heating, etc
I am generally not in favour of IoT, and am not convinced that a camera will correct this issue. But make no mistake: food spillage has a huge impact.

1 : https://www.fao.org/3/bt300e/bt300e.pdf

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9. the_ot+kW3[view] [source] 2023-11-28 10:44:53
>>ArnoVW+px
I like this response a lot, despite it opposing my earlier comment. Good thoughts, thanks.

For me, this highlights issues that I think the IoT solutions paint over. The IoT solutions all require the same kinds of industry you're describing here, but for tech. So when those get deployed you have the food industry and the tech industry, but you still have the problem of the mouldy pepper, and the problem of food deserts, and a few other things.

I still think my "you can throw out the excess/mouldy food" and the "solve the problem by communal cooking" are better approaches than the IoT one. But I accept this is intuition and guesswork, and somewhat politically motivated. I'm sure about the politics here, but I accept I'm light on the data. I think the real problems are elsewhere than either the individual mouldy peppers and the IoT; somewhere around deeper, harder issues to do with supporting towns and cities the way we do.

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