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>>staran+(OP)
So, Ilya is out of the board, but Adam is still on it. I know this will raise some eyebrows but whatever.

Still though, this isn't something that will just go away with Sam back. OAI will undergo serious changes now that Sam has shown himself to be irreplaceable. Future will tell but in the long terms, I doubt we will see OAI as one of the megacorps like Facebook or Uber. They lost the trust.

>>tomohe+V
The OpenAI of the past, that dabbled in random AI stuff (remember their DotA 2 bot?), is gone.

OpenAI is now just a vehicle to commercialize their LLM - and everything is subservient to that goal. Discover a major flaw in GPT4? You shut your mouth. Doesn’t matter if society at large suffers for it.

Altman's/Microsoft’s takeover of the former non-profit is now complete.

Edit: Let this be a lesson to us all. Just because something claims to be non-profit doesn't mean it will always remain that way. With enough political maneuvering and money, a megacorp can takeover almost any organization. Non-profit status and whatever the organization's charter says is temporary.

>>Terrif+D2
> now just a vehicle to commercialize their LLM

I mean it is what they want isn't it. They did some random stuff like, playing dota2 or robot arms, even the Dalle stuff. Now they finally find that one golden goose, of course they are going to keep it.

I don't think the company has changed at all. It succeeded after all.

>>karmas+L4
There's no moat in giant LLMs. Anyone on a long enough timeline can scrape/digitize 99.9X% of all human knowledge and build an LLM or LXX from it. Monetizing that idea and staying the market leader over a period longer than 10 years will take a herculean amount of effort. Facebook releasing similar models for free definitely took the wind out of their sails, even a tiny bit; right now the moat is access to A100 boards. That will change as eventually even the Raspberry Pi 9 will have LLM capabilities

>>hadloc+vd
OpenAI (ChatGPT) is already a HUGE brand all around the world. No doubt they're the most valuable startup in the AI space. That's their moat.

Unfortunately, in the past few days, the only thing they've accomplished is significantly damaging their brand.

>>morale+Oe
i don't think that's really any brand loyalty for OpenAI. people will use whatever is cheapest and best. in the longer run people will use whatever has the best access and integration.

what's keeping people with OpenAI for now is that chatGPT is free and GPT3.5 and GPT4 are the best. over time I expect the gap in performance to get smaller and the cost to run these to get cheaper.

if google gives me something close to as good as OpenAI's offering for the same price and it pull data from my gmail or my calendar or my google drive then i'll switch to that.

>>denlek+No
I do think there is some brand loyalty.

People use "the chatbot from OpenAI" because that's what became famous and got all the world a taste of AI (my dad is on that bandwagon, for instance). There is absolutely no way my dad is going to sign up for an Anthropic account and start making API calls to their LLM.

But I agree that it's a weak moat, if OpenAI were to disappear, I could just tell my dad to use "this same thing but from Google" and he'd switch without thinking much about it.

>>morale+LX
good points. on second thought, i should give them due credit for building a brand reputation as being "best" that will continue even if they aren't the best at some point, which will keep a lot of people with them. that's in addition to their other advantages that people will stay because it's easier than learning a new platform and there might be lock-in in terms of it being hard to move a trained gpt, or your chat history to another platform.