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1. joshst+ri[view] [source] 2023-11-20 14:44:56
>>skille+(OP)
Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done.

Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him back or want to join him at MS and Ilya is one of them, just madness.

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2. Jeremy+vp[view] [source] 2023-11-20 15:26:19
>>joshst+ri
There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show.

All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it.

Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kind of accounting benefit to maintain the weird structure / partnership, versus doing everything themselves? Because it sure looks like OpenAI has succeeded despite its leadership and not because of it, and the "brand" is absolutely and irrevocably tainted by this situation regardless of the outcome.

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3. bredre+BT[view] [source] 2023-11-20 17:42:23
>>Jeremy+vp
There's a path back from this disfunction but my sense before this new twist was that the drama had severely impacted OpenAI as an industry leader. The product and talent positioning seemed ahead by years only to get destroyed by unforced errors.

This instability can only mean the industry as a whole will move forward faster. Competitors see the weakness and will push harder.

OpenAI will have a harder time keeping secret sauces from leaking out, and just productivity must be in nose dive.

A terrible mess.

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4. dkjaud+m01[view] [source] 2023-11-20 18:05:04
>>bredre+BT
> This instability can only mean the industry as a whole will move forward faster.

The hype surrounding OpenAI and the black hole of credibility it created was a problem, it's only positive that it's taken down several notches. Better now than when they have even more (undeserved) influence.

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5. sebzim+D81[view] [source] 2023-11-20 18:34:46
>>dkjaud+m01
I think their influence was deserved. They have by far the best model available, and despite constant promises from the rest of the industry no one else has come close.
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