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1. 9dev+w9[view] [source] 2023-11-20 08:37:33
>>JimDab+(OP)
I don’t quite buy your Cyberpunk utopia where the Megacorp finally rids us of those pesky ethics qualms (or ”shackles“, as you phrased it.) Microsoft can now proceed without the guidance of a council that actually has humanities interests in mind, not only those of Microsoft shareholders. I don’t know whether all that caution will turn out to have been necessary, but I guess we’re just gleefully heading into whatever lies ahead without any concern whatsoever, and learn it the hard way.

It’s a bit tragic that Ilya and company achieved the exact opposite of what they intended apparently, by driving those they attempted to slow down into the arms of people with more money and less morals. Well.

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2. shubha+Se[view] [source] 2023-11-20 09:02:39
>>9dev+w9
I am not claiming how right or wrong the final outcome would be, but owning the technology with a clear "for-profit" objective is definitely a better structure for Microsoft and for Sam Altman as well (considering, his plans for the future). I have no opinion on AI risk. I just think that a super valuable technology under a non-profit objective was simply an untenable structure, regardless of potential threats.
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3. slg+ug[view] [source] 2023-11-20 09:14:20
>>shubha+Se
It isn't fear of a sentient AI that enslaves humanity that makes me disappointed with for-profit companies getting a stronger grip on this tech. It is the fear that a greater portion of the value of this technology will go to the stockholders of said companies rather than potentially be shared among a larger percentage of society. Not that I had that much faith in OpenAI, but in general the shift from non-profit to for-profit is a win for the few over the many.
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4. two_in+bo[view] [source] 2023-11-20 09:59:56
>>slg+ug
Even if it goes to stockholders it's not lost forever. That's how we got Starship. The question is what they do with it. As for 'sharing', we've seen that. In USSR it ended up with Putin, Lukashenko, turkmenbashi, and so on. In others it's not much better. Europe is slowly falling behind. There should be some balance and culture.
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5. gremli+pI[view] [source] 2023-11-20 12:20:52
>>two_in+bo
Except the USSR 'ended up' with those people because they went towards Western-style capitalism, these werent Soviet nomenklatura who stole power by abusing Soviet bureacracy, these were post-Soviet, American-style "democratic" leaders.
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6. two_in+3F1[view] [source] 2023-11-20 17:03:42
>>gremli+pI
> these were post-Soviet, American-style "democratic" leaders

Before that USSR collapsed under Gorbachev. Why? They simply lost with their planned economy where nobody wants to take a risk. Because (1) it's not rewarding, (2) no individual has enough resources (3) to get thing moving they will have to convince a lot of bureaucrats who don't want to take a risk. They moved forward thanks to few exceptional people. But there wasn't as many willing to take a risk as in 'rotting' capitalism. Don't know why, but leaders didn't see Chinese way. Probably they were busy with internal rats fights and didn't see what's in it for them.

My idea is that there are two extremes. On left side people can be happy like yogs. But they don't produce anything or move forward. On the right side is pure capitalism. Which is inhuman. The optimum is somewhere in between. With good life quality and fast progress. What happens when resources are shared too much and life is good? You can see it in Germany today. 80% of Ukrainian refugees don't works and don't want to.

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