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1. breadw+D9[view] [source] 2023-11-19 21:18:34
>>himara+(OP)
The key question in my mind is not who is going to be on the new board, but whether Ilya Sutskever will stay if Altman comes back. I worry that OpenAI without Ilya is not going to produce groundbreaking innovations at the same pace. Hopefully Sam Altman and Ilya Sutskever can patch things up. That's more important than who they add or remove to the board.
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2. mrtksn+Oj[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:06:42
>>breadw+D9
Currently, it’s very unclear who operates under what motives. How much is it about ego? How much is it about money and how much is it due to intellectual positions? Maybe there’re are no heroes and maybe there’re no antiheroes? With the recent news about other investments and deals, the facade doesn’t seem to even resemble the OpenAI’s reality.

I can’t wait to read the autobiography of involved parties.

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3. thepas+jn[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:23:08
>>mrtksn+Oj
>Ego

I can absolutely empathize with Ilya here, though. As far as I know the tech making openai function is largely his life’s work. It would be extremely frustrating to have Sam be the face of it, and be given the credit for it.

Sam is clearly a very accomplished businessman and networker. Those people are super important, I wish I had a person like him on my team.

I’ve had the experience of other people tacitly taking credit for my work. Giving talks about it, receiving praise for their vision. It’s incredibly demoralizing.

I’m not necessarily saying Sam did this, since I don’t know any of these people. Just speculating on how it might feel to ge Ilya watching Sam go on a world tour meeting heads of state to talk about what is largely Ilya’s work.

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4. loboch+My[view] [source] 2023-11-19 23:24:46
>>thepas+jn
Ideas are like children. You don't just need to give birth to them; you also need to raise them, teach them, challenge them, and show them the world.

Giving birth to an idea is a necessary condition and sets the boundaries for so much of what it can achieve. But if you're unable to raise it to become a world champion, it isn't worth anything.

I've been on the raising ideas side way more in my 20+ career in tech. I know some people became bitter and scornful of me because I pushed their ideas to become something big and received a lot of credit for that. And I try to give credit where credit is due. But often enough, when I try to share the spotlight (in front of a customer or when presenting at BoD, for example), the brilliant engineer withers under pressure or actively harms his idea by pointing out its flaws excessively. It's a delicate balance.

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5. sahila+PI[view] [source] 2023-11-20 00:25:08
>>loboch+My
This isn’t a given and not everyone’s view. Doing a thing and choosing what to do with said thing is that person’s prerogative. The specifics will matter but I don’t agree that someone else’s idea is something someone else must push and profit of if they don’t. The idea of patents also agree with this too.
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6. xwolfi+A91[view] [source] 2023-11-20 03:41:23
>>sahila+PI
Patents are a compromise: you keep your prerogative, yes, but for a limited amount of time and you agree to publicly publish it so that everyone can access it. Eventually, if you do nothing with it, why would we limit humanity from benefitting from it ?

It's like imagine a guy has a nice idea to cure cancer, but plays the princess with it and refuses to industrialize it, while people are dying left and right. Surely, it becomes indefensible, and at some point, someone brave will do the right thing and implement the idea. You have a right to reap the benefit of your ideas but you have a duty not to deprive humanity of any benefit just because you thought of it first, I feel ?

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