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>>outrun+(OP)
at this point returning would make the situation worse. better a completely fresh start if openai is to have a future.

>>superg+kK
Sam wins either way and holds all the power with Microsoft’s backing. The only question is whether OpenAI survives (it will not if Sam and Microsoft go elsewhere) and who gets purged post coup attempt.

>>toomuc+oM2
In the left corner, Microsoft and the guy that founded Loopt.

In the right corner the company that created and still completely controls GPT-4.

Why are you so sure about who wins this face off?

>>CPLX+MP2
Because you can't train and operate models at scale with ideology. Costs money and compute. Without funding and compute, OpenAI is a bunch of smart folks with laptops talking AI safety in an office until the cashflow dries up.

People who want to get paid or are loyal to Sam will follow Sam. Microsoft is clearly behind Sam. "Whoever holds the gold makes the rules."

EDIT: gkoberger said it far better, and captures the value beyond the physical and fiat components of the power struggle: >>38337782

"I don't think he's on his own. All those people he helped in the past have come out to support him. Almost his entire company (minus the board) has publicly supported him. His team is currently hosting him at the office with hopes to reinstate him. The CEO who temporarily replaced him has publicly and privately supported his return. OpenAI's investors are backing him. His cofounder quit in solidarity.

Turns out the secret to getting through something like this is to simply have spent the past 15+ years genuinely helping everyone you've ever come across."

>>toomuc+0Q2
OpenAI has the most valuable new technology product in a generation and it’s already monetized. It’s also a charity and could give a fuck about growth beyond the extent needed to meet their goals.

The idea that Microsoft is somehow the one irreplaceable part of this formula is completely fucking bizzare.

>>CPLX+vQ2
OpenAI is not a "thing", the workers are a thing. OpenAI is nothing if the engineers/scientists leave the company to work somewhere else if Altman leaves. According to reports, the head of research and other senior staff have said that they will resign if Altman is not restored as CEO.

>>linkgo+jS2
Yes that’s somewhat correct. If he really has the loyalty of a huge percentage of the staff and they leave to follow him you’re right.

But you might want to question why you’re so sure that’s the case. People talk about that a lot but it’s pretty rare to actually see that happen.

The usual way things like this go is most people go huh how about that and go back to work at their job the next day and think about their family and weekend plans.

In his case it’s especially odd given his oddly thin track record of actual success. He seems incredibly good at ingratiating himself with extremely powerful people, but there’s no evidence at all of him being a popular leader or particularly good at building and executing on anything.

Ask yourself how he got his last two jobs. He wasn’t exactly voted in due to widespread popular support.

In both cases however he departed abruptly amidst what looks like interpersonal conflict.