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1. jborde+g1[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:33:44
>>davidb+(OP)
> Sam Altman will depart as CEO and leave the board of directors. Mira Murati, the company’s chief technology officer, will serve as interim CEO, effective immediately.

> Mr. Altman’s departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities. The board no longer has confidence in his ability to continue leading OpenAI.

Wow

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2. DylanB+03[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:38:01
>>jborde+g1
So this is probably indicative of a scandal of some sort right?
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3. jurgen+R3[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:40:19
>>DylanB+03
Yes, very likely Altman has done something _very_ wrong, and the board wants to maintain plausible deniability.
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4. rococo+i8[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:53:07
>>jurgen+R3
Somewhat hidden beneath the huge headline of Altman being kicked out is that Brockman (chairman) is also out. Which could indicate something more systemically wrong than just a typical "CEO did something bad" situation.

> As a part of this transition, Greg Brockman will be stepping down as chairman of the board and will remain in his role at the company, reporting to the CEO.

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5. harryh+9a[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:00:06
>>rococo+i8
Brockman is off the board but not fired. Which is weird right? You'd think if he was involved in whatever the really bad thing is then he would be fired.
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6. sulam+Qg[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:29:49
>>harryh+9a
It's probably simple reporting logic. Having a board member reporting to someone not on the board would be problematic.
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7. jholma+Km[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:55:10
>>sulam+Qg
No, that sort of thing isn't that weird, in relatively young companies. Think of when Eric Schmidt was CEO of Google. Larry Page and Sergei Brin reported to him as employees of Google, and he (as CEO of Google) reported to himself-and-also-them (as the board), and all of them (as the board) reported to Larry and Sergei (as majority owners).

For another example, imagine if OpenAI had never been a non-profit, and look at the board yesterday. You'd have had Ilya reporting to Sam (as employees), while Sam reports to Ilya (with Ilya as one member of the board, and probably a major stakeholder).

Now, when it gets hostile, those loops might get pretty weird. When things get hostile, you maybe modify reporting structures so the loops go away, so that people can maintain sane boundaries and still get work done (or gracefully exit, who knows).

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8. astran+7n[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:57:32
>>jholma+Km
Comma (geohot's self driving company) has a reporting loop because geohot demoted himself from CEO.

Twitter also has one, although that's hardly a functioning example.

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