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>>todsac+(OP)
Not a huge Steve Jobs fanboy, but I always liked his quote[1] about craftsmanship, sweating the details, and giving a fuck:

“When you’re a carpenter making a beautiful chest of drawers, you’re not going to use a piece of plywood on the back, even though it faces the wall and nobody will ever see it. You’ll know it’s there, so you’re going to use a beautiful piece of wood on the back. For you to sleep well at night, the aesthetic, the quality, has to be carried all the way through.”

I think software as a whole suffers greatly from this "well, I got it barely done, technically fulfilling the requirements, so my work is over" attitude.

1: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/445621-when-you-re-a-carpen...

>>ryandr+n4
Typically this is because programmers are treated as workers on assembly line instead of carpenters making beatiful chest of drawers.

>>yetihe+15
There is also a huge portion of programmers who want to be on an assembly line. They don't care about their profession, they don't strive to improve at their craft, they don't read stuff on HN. They're simply there for the money. Since quality requires active effort in software, I think this group has an oversized responsibility for tech debt.

Case in point: frontend and the shit show that's become.

>>c7DJTL+5h
The real part about front end being garbage that pissing me off is that people I have to speak on the phone with go on to patronize me about how “you know you can just use the online form, right?”

I COULD use the online form if the fucking thing ever worked!

Most recently was unable to book service for my vehicle online cause the selection lists always cleared themselves the moment I selected something. I click the year of my vehicle. It populates for an instant. Then clears.

Then had a guy on the phone audibly upset at me for making him take the phone call to book service.