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>>todsac+(OP)
I tend to consider bullshit any point that finds somehow acceptable thinking that people is lazy, in this society, in this world, on this planet, ffs we have to work 40 hrs per week per decades and rest after reincarnation, and you want to talk about laziness? Let's talk about how any bit of mental energy is extracted to built other's wealth and then when you are too old to do nothing other than watching work in progress they just spit you out

when I am supposed to fix tech debt? if every week there is another functionality going out that needs to be done yesterday? Do you think that I have to do it in my free time? Why should I even bother existing

>>lnxg33+h1
> when I am supposed to fix tech debt?

Try to lie about how long will it take. Just today I finished* 1-month almost total rewrite of firmware for one of devices at my work. It started as a 1-week small rewrite of part of communication module for a small bug and was scheduled as that. But I've got chill PM and coworkers who will appreciate that now we can actually fix some 8yr old bugs in legacy parts of that code.

* well, now some testing of edge cases and another round of fixes but at least remote code updating works so we can ship those devices...

Edit: "Lie" is call to action here, there were some misunderstanding in comments. Previous start of my comment was "Lie. ..."

>>yetihe+p3
> But I've got chill PM ...

Have you considered that perhaps your personal perspective is not exactly representative of large swathes of the industry and that many (if not most) workers do not have the agency and/or leeway to place place themselves in a comparable situation?

I wouldn't be so cut-and-dry with your assertion that the parent post is "lying".

>>Chabsf+w5
I didn't call him a liar, I told him that he should lie about what he does. Sometimes you need a little lie about how long will it take and ship good code a little later than bad code on time.

> Have you considered that perhaps your personal perspective is not exactly representative of large swathes of the industry

Yes. HN is place for ALL kinds of people, sometimes they are not even programmers. Many tips are not applicable to everyone here.

>>yetihe+K6
Oh, my bad. Thanks for the clarification.

In that case, I would heavily disagree with your suggestion. Your "chill" PM is likely actively running interference on your behalf in order to allow you to spend time on such endeavors. It's a great thing when you can have such a partner, but most PMs (in my experience) are not willing to put themselves on the line like that.

>>Chabsf+78
Staying in a place where everything is stacked against your excellency will mean you will not gain excellency. Whether just bringing some money home is enough for you is only up to you, but then don't complain that you can't do anything nice, it's just whining at that point. Saying all that I don't condemn people for working in boring shitty places. At least typically they try their best anyway and make world a better place bit by bit.