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1. Justsi+8m4[view] [source] 2023-09-26 23:12:24
>>rossan+(OP)
The worst part here is: He spent months researching 500 medical papers to even realize this was a problem. No way in hell will a single defense lawyer get someone to be able to research enough to figure this out. As stated, how many people are in jail or lost their kids due to something that didn't actually happen. And how many people don't know that a minor bump in the head for a baby could be life threatening, but we just mark it as SIDS. And even worse, no medical doctor will go this hard trying to figure out how to defend a person they believe murdered a baby.

It is the perfect combination of crap.

Cyrille Rossant may save a lot of lives, in both parents and children, if this becomes common knowledge.

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2. raducu+Og5[view] [source] 2023-09-27 05:47:40
>>Justsi+8m4
Similar case in Denmark/Romania where a baby was taken from his romanian parents because of the shaken baby syndrome, parents spent time in jail, but the hemorage continued over time so they had to concede it wasn't the shaken baby syndromd.
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3. cornho+kq5[view] [source] 2023-09-27 07:19:07
>>raducu+Og5
The trouble is: shaken baby syndrome is real and well documented. Because the crime is so abhorrent, people strongly want to believe the diagnostic tools to be much more sensitive and accurate than they really seem to be.

It's the classic "N guilty men" problem, aka Blackstone's ratio: if you risk putting one innocent person in jail, how many guilty people you need to catch to make it morally justifiable? 5, 10? 100?

You have to pick a number, or else no kind of criminal justice can exist.

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4. Fire-D+ct5[view] [source] 2023-09-27 07:46:12
>>cornho+kq5
In the article it clearly states that shaking does not cause the hemorrhage that's currently considered "shaken baby syndrome". It literally says there aren't documented cases where the shaking was captured on tape/testified and the symptoms present at the same time.

It's more likely that a fall (or being thrown) would cause the symptoms.

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5. hoseja+nv5[view] [source] 2023-09-27 08:03:34
>>Fire-D+ct5
I read it as no cases where shaking caused ONLY the retinal/subdural haemorrhage, without any other trauma.
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6. rossan+Py5[view] [source] 2023-09-27 08:31:23
>>hoseja+nv5
That's indeed what I said, but I was cautious. I'd have to dig into the latest literature to be sure, but I don't remember seeing even 1 case where shaking with no impact was independently witnessed or videotaped, and was shown to cause retinal/subdural haemorrhage, with or without any other form of trauma.

In any case, these situations are extremely rare, much more than those involving any kind of head impact.

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