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1. Samoye+Eg[view] [source] 2023-09-24 13:55:32
>>YeGobl+(OP)
The way death row inmates are treated is arguably a reason to be against death row. There was also a case where a person on death row couldn’t present exculpatory evidence to prove his innocence because his last appeals lawyer didn’t do it. The Supreme Court literally decided you can prove you have evidence that proves your innocence, that you were done dirty by an incompetent lawyer, it doesn’t matter, you should still be killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinn_v._Ramirez

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2. spamiz+Ov[view] [source] 2023-09-24 15:41:10
>>Samoye+Eg
That's because the purpose of the death penalty is to function as a sort of secular human sacrifice, to ward off evil-doers possibly doing bad things, due to a belief that deep down bad guys are rational actors and will choose not to do commit capital murder based on punishment.
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3. dsego+Yx[view] [source] 2023-09-24 15:57:43
>>spamiz+Ov
It's retributive justice, it's not a deterrent.

To quote a post I recently found resonating with me:

"Look, we don’t necessarily hang murderers to deter other people from committing the same offence. We kill them simply because the punishment has to carry the same weight as the offence. The family of the murderer must go through the same anguish and pain that the murder victim’s family went through. The killer has to be stopped from enjoying all the things that come with being alive. When you kill another person, you deprive them of worldly enjoyments like food, sex, conversations, bathing, laughing, crying and therefore it is only befitting that you too get deprived of same and the only way to do so is through the death sentence. If we are going to shy away from punishing wrong-doers on the basis that the punishment won’t stop other people from committing the same offence then we might as well not send anyone to jail because sending people to jail has never stopped other people from committing the same offences."

https://www.sundaystandard.info/iocom-a-retributionist-i-sup...

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4. mcpack+xE[view] [source] 2023-09-24 16:38:43
>>dsego+Yx
Response to the deleted comment: "I genuinely don’t understand this point of view. I get why the victims would want this but why is that a reason for our legal system to adopt it as a guiding principle?"

The pact the government has with people is that the government metes out justice so that people don't try to get it themselves. Some measure of retribution, it doesn't need to be the death penalty, works towards this goal. If people believe the courts will punish a criminal they are less likely to do it themselves, it reduces the risk of vigilante justice. That's a good thing because vigilantes are less discerning about getting the right person and considering extenuating evidence. It's a compromise.

Imagine the government found a way to cure psychopathy with a pill. They catch a serial killer who brutally murdered dozens of people, utterly rehabilitate him with their pill and release him the same day. This might satisfy you and some of the other wise and enlightened commenters in this thread, but many people would not be satisfied with it and people would be more inclined to kill murderers in retribution, since the government no longer punishes them.

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5. thomas+KD1[view] [source] 2023-09-25 00:22:08
>>mcpack+xE
A responsible government would punish the vigilantes instead of the innocent or rehabilitated.
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6. dsego+Dq2[view] [source] 2023-09-25 09:57:14
>>thomas+KD1
I always wonder how moral and fair it is to provide an opportunity for rehabilitation to someone guilty of a heinous crime, since they didn't provide a second chance to their victims. It seem like a great cosmic injustice. As for punishing vigilantes, should settling the score be more severely punished than the original crime? Let's say a person kills someone I love, and I take my revenge by killing them, am I now not worthy of rehabilitation?
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7. thomas+oR4[view] [source] 2023-09-25 21:19:42
>>dsego+Dq2
fair ≠ moral
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