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1. eganis+s8[view] [source] 2023-07-25 03:35:49
>>danShu+(OP)
Expected, but meaningless if we can't drive people towards Firefox and away from Chromium products. That's something of a responsibility we all have, especially those of us invested in the safety and security (collectively, trust) of the web.

I haven't seen anything yet on whether Brave will support it, though if I'm understanding correctly, they won't have a choice since they're using Chromium. Hopefully I'm misinformed.

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2. paulry+N8[view] [source] 2023-07-25 03:40:55
>>eganis+s8
Judging by all the hate Mozilla gets around here, it would be nice to at least see some credit given where it is due.

Ultimately I think we must permanently return to browser ballots back by the law, like the IE bundling fallout. Otherwise friction and incentives will continue to entrench one dominant player.

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3. echelo+8a[view] [source] 2023-07-25 03:52:23
>>paulry+N8
> Judging by all the hate Mozilla gets around here, it would be nice to at least see some credit given where it is due.

Mozilla, the browser, is great.

Mozilla efforts, such as Rust, have been historically great.

Mozilla leadership is currently awful. They focus is on the wrong things - web VR and low-quality foundational AI models. Maybe because they think the web is at risk of disappearing outright. But the true enemy is Google, and they're currently its well-behaved prisoner.

Mozilla can't bite the hand that feeds it, but someone needs to point the FTC, Congress, and the EU at Google. Everything they do, buy, and work on is to point an overwhelming majority of internet users at its ad products. Chrome, Search, Android, YouTube, Apple default search engine deal, etc. Google has become inescapable. And that's rather anti-competitive if you're trying to advertise your business or selling ad tech.

Nevermind that the web commons and standards are constantly in Google's blast radius for funneling everyone into their gaping maw.

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4. gochi+4e[view] [source] 2023-07-25 04:28:44
>>echelo+8a
Google is set to go on trial in 2024 with the FTC. We'll see how that goes. I don't have high hopes, primarily due to how difficult it is to expect larger reach by adhering to past laws that are quite lenient. At most I can see AdX being negatively affected, but that wouldn't result in the substantial change most want here and would just allow another like Apple to step in and repeat what Google has done.

From what I understand, the arguments about self-preferencing kind of always get thrown out due to a more strict interpretation of the law. Did with Apple, and with Facebook when they were acquiring Instagram and Whatsapp.

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