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1. travel+Zo[view] [source] 2023-07-06 16:00:31
>>gmays+(OP)
Disclaimer: I'm not a climate change denier, I think we should stop burning fossil fuels ASAP.

Though I'm one to question a lot of things and this is my 2 cents. How the hell we know this current changes are completely abnormal? I read about some weird climate anomalies centuries ago and of course there's a lot of evidence that current events are completely abnormal but one question always come to my mind.

What if we're wrong? What if we're being too cooky thinking that by having looked into some evidence that made sense, we're not completely wrong here and current events are just part of a cycle in the planet weather?

Again, I'm questioning but I don't need you guys to present me the proof, I'm aware of it. Just questioning if we're not wrong all along and are here destroying our mental health for nothing. Seems like even by the 1940s standards our generation is being constantly swarmed with problems which we can't fix, which are causing all sort of mental issues due to the complete stress we live in.

This being said, the switch from fossil fuels should be done ASAP, even if we're wrong and it's not causing issues in the environment, they are for sure causing health issues.

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2. pphysc+wq[view] [source] 2023-07-06 16:06:47
>>travel+Zo
It's healthy to be skeptical about the fearmongering and narrative control, while also promoting ecological policies.

A recent example: Nordstream bombing was the "worst case of environmental terrorism in modern history". US govt blames Ukrainian actors[1]. Yet Greta Thunberg hasn't made a peep about it, and recently did a photo op with the Ukrainian govt, which also hasn't spoke out about it.

It's unbelievably cynical. For some people, environmentalism is just a means to power.

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-suggest...

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3. martin+ns[view] [source] 2023-07-06 16:13:36
>>pphysc+wq
> US govt blames Ukrainian actors

pretty sure it doesnt, but the russian one does - maybe youve confused them?

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4. pphysc+rv[view] [source] 2023-07-06 16:25:50
>>martin+ns
Is Reuters Russian propaganda now? Good Lord.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-suggest...

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-had-intelligence-ukrainian-...

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5. Volund+8x[view] [source] 2023-07-06 16:31:43
>>pphysc+rv
From your first link:

> There was no evidence that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy or other Ukrainian government officials were behind the attacks which spewed natural gas into the Baltic Sea, the newspaper reported, citing U.S. officials.

I'm not really following why Greta should be condemning the Ukrainian government if there's no evidence they had anything to do with it.

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6. pphysc+5z[view] [source] 2023-07-06 16:38:05
>>Volund+8x
Where did I suggest that Greta should condemn him? She should simply not run PR for the government most proximal to the worst act of environmental terrorism in history, until more is figured out.

Imagine if Barack Obama did a photo op with the Saudi King in 2002, with the purpose of promoting the Saudi regime, just a year after a dozen Saudi nationals perpetrated 9/11. "Tone-deaf" would be putting it mildly.

I'm saying that Greta Thunberg, figurehead of environmentalism, is being unbelievably tone-deaf and it reflects very poorly on the integrity of her movement.

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7. Volund+UH[view] [source] 2023-07-06 17:07:37
>>pphysc+5z
You keep calling it "environmental terrorism". How are you making that leap without even knowing who did it. Assuming for a moment the Ukraine government is involved (unproven), it seems far more likely they saw an opportunity to sabotage Russian infrastructure rather than an environmental motivation. You know the country that invaded them and they are currently at war with?

> Greta Thunberg, figurehead of environmentalism

Yuck. Greta is a 20-year old woman who happened to find the spotlight at 15 because a young person being so outspoken captured the public imagination. She's not some patron saint of environmentalism she's one young person who will enjoy making a great many bad decisions in her life (it's not clear to me that this is one). Taking her every action or inaction and using it to paint the entire environmental movement is nonsense.

> Imagine if Barack Obama did a photo op with the Saudi King in 2002, with the purpose of promoting the Saudi regime, just a year after a dozen Saudi nationals perpetrated 9/11. "Tone-deaf" would be putting it mildly.

Comparing Nord Stream to 9/11, especially if it was an act of war by Ukraine, feels like quite a reach.

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