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>>chillb+(OP)
We've come a long way since Vera Lynn.

Whether it's for the military or not, I find these women's behavior gross and their followers pathetic. It feels like we're veering into post-feminist territory where attractive, charismatic women can market themselves on the internet and society can't offer a reasonable objection without resorting to social conservatism.

>>slibhb+Md
I agree with you, but I'm surprised that you then go on to write off conservatism seemingly flippantly.

There is no reason to believe that social norms can only change for the better, and in fact a lot of evidence that they aren't moving in a positive direction.

The US right may be overreacting to this by rolling back too many changes and throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

But that doesn't mean that conservatism in general is a bad idea. There is certainly something to be said for assessing the outcomes of a change before running many experiments in parallel without a control group.

>>throwa+DR
I didn't mean to write off social conservatism. I just meant that it's unappealing to roughly half the country and it's unclear what liberals are supposed to tell men and women to discourage this behavior.

>>slibhb+7d2
Ah, fair enough.

I don't really know the situation on the ground in the US. In the UK I feel like we're a fairly conservative country in general, the majority of the population are socially conservative (if perhaps not fiscally), but then the political parties are split in a way that makes this complicated.

Put simply - in the UK, half of the country are capital C Conservative, but probably >80% are conservative.