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1. rascul+P21[view] [source] 2023-05-20 14:01:43
>>sanity+(OP)
Not sure what is meant by a drop in replacement in this context.

Normally I would think a drop in replacement would mean I could switch to it and do everything the same as I was doing it. But my guess is that if I did this drop in replacement that little to none of the web activities I partake in would work anymore. So maybe my thoughts aren't quite what is meant.

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2. sanity+G41[view] [source] 2023-05-20 14:17:12
>>rascul+P21
It's a drop in replacement for everything north of the user's web browser - so it's drop-in from the perspective of the user, but centralized services need to be recreated for it. We're already working on a decentralized messaging system as a proof of concept, others will follow.
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3. rascul+T81[view] [source] 2023-05-20 14:50:17
>>sanity+G41
> everything north of the user's web browser

I'm not sure what this means.

> it's drop-in from the perspective of the user

From my perspective as a user, if after doing the drop in replacement, I can't use my bank's web site or browse Hacker News the same way, or watch TV on Hulu, it's not a drop in replacement because what I did before no longer works. It's not clear to me if this is the case with Freenet.

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4. sanity+Xa1[view] [source] 2023-05-20 15:06:12
>>rascul+T81
> I'm not sure what this means.

See the diagram here: [1]

> From my perspective as a user, if after doing the drop in replacement, I can't use my bank's web site or browse Hacker News the same way, or watch TV on Hulu, it's not a drop in replacement because what I did before no longer works

Those are centralized services, the idea is to allow the creation of decentralized alternatives that can still be used through familiar tools like the web browser.

[1] https://docs.freenet.org/introduction.html

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5. rascul+xd1[view] [source] 2023-05-20 15:23:30
>>sanity+Xa1
> Those are centralized services, the idea is to allow the creation of decentralized alternatives that can still be used through familiar tools like the web browser.

And if I can't access those services on Freenet then it's not a drop in replacement.

It may very well be a replacement. My issue is it being called a drop in replacement if it's not.

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6. sanity+ch1[view] [source] 2023-05-20 15:48:26
>>rascul+xd1
That's one way to interpret "drop in", my interpretation is that you use the existing UI you're familiar with - your browser - the rest is replaced with decentralized services.

It sounds like you're looking for an anonymizing proxy like Tor. There is no way to do what you're looking for that could reasonably be considered decentralized.

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7. rascul+no2[view] [source] 2023-05-21 01:31:42
>>sanity+ch1
> That's one way to interpret "drop in", my interpretation is that you use the existing UI you're familiar with - your browser - the rest is replaced with decentralized services.

I feel like we're so far apart on what a drop in replacement is that there's no point continuing this.

> It sounds like you're looking for an anonymizing proxy like Tor. There is no way to do what you're looking for that could reasonably be considered decentralized.

I'm not looking for anything. I'm concerned that I'm being misled and that can have an impact on my decision to use Freenet in the future.

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8. sanity+7s2[view] [source] 2023-05-21 02:18:53
>>rascul+no2
Honestly, you're the first person I've encountered to have such a narrow interpretation of "drop-in". We can agree to disagree.
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9. Fatnin+GL3[view] [source] 2023-05-21 16:24:37
>>sanity+7s2
A tankless water heater is a drop in replacement for a traditional water heater.

Your contractor messes with it for a day and that evening you are taking a warm shower just like you did the night before.

This is what drop in means.

But if you were to go around selling people this drop in tankless water heater 150 years ago before homes had the required electricity, you would rightfully be called a liar.

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