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1. nologi+Mz1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:12:42
>>amathe+(OP)
The issue of quiting cars is nowadays far from just a matter of values as the article seems to be implying.

Cars are by now a hard to reverse environmental and urban planning disaster across the world. We are stuck with them. As a mode of transport it has grown uncontrollably at the expense of all others (except the airplane) and practically everything has been shaped to accomodate it.

Reversing that development, limiting car traffic to where its really needed is like trying to perform a complete heart and arteries transplant on a living person. Even if there was a will (which there is not) it is not clear if there is a way.

In the best scenario it will be an excruciatingly long transformation (~50 yr) as car oriented cities (or city sections) get slowly deprecated and the car-free or car-lite segments become more desirable, more livable.

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2. rfmc+fX1[view] [source] 2023-05-19 00:36:45
>>nologi+Mz1
What you say isn't possible is being done with the greatest amount of success in Amsterdam, great success in Copenhagen, and it's picking up steam now in Paris. Just to mention a few.

It's a gradual process, and part of the problem is actually embedded on your analogy, it's not like perform a heart and artery transplant, because there's no single action that can solve the problem, but years, and years of multiple, small and large initiatives, to make car dependency goes down.

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3. TylerE+Qc2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 03:14:43
>>rfmc+fX1
Did you really just compare a midsized US citing to freaking Amsterdam? That’s… hopelessly out of touch is about the kindest thing I could say.
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4. rfmc+2f2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 03:35:50
>>TylerE+Qc2
Oh yeah. I forgot that the USA operate by another set of rules than the rest of humanity.

What is your point even? Population? Sprawl?

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5. TylerE+cf2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 03:37:59
>>rfmc+2f2
Well, yes? The Amsterdam metro area is almost 3M people. This is like acting surprised people don’t consider a dog and a cow comparable as pets.
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6. rfmc+8g2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 03:45:46
>>TylerE+cf2
Copenhagen is 600k. Shitty weather year-round, predicting the next point of pro car dependency arguments.
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7. TylerE+yg2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 03:50:13
>>rfmc+8g2
Which is still 3x the city in question. No sale.
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8. rfmc+Hh2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 04:06:12
>>TylerE+yg2
Odense in Denmark, 200k. Good public transportation, never needed a car when visiting it. Roskilde is even smaller 50k and fine to get around walking, biking or by public transportation.
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9. bhhask+pm2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 04:51:41
>>rfmc+Hh2
I don't think you have a clue as to how massive the United States really is.

Odense has a total area of 30 square miles.

Carson City Nevada has a total area of 150 square miles and has a population of 50k.

Demark has an area of 16k square miles. Nevada has an area of 110k square miles.

So yes. The United States and other large countries do in fact operate off of different rules than small European countries.

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10. strken+So2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 05:16:04
>>bhhask+pm2
I'm from Australia, which is close to the size of the continental US but with less than 10% of its population. I know how big and how sparsely populated the US is, and don't really see your point.

Yeah, there are big areas of country Australia and the US where you need a car to get to anything. This is a good reason to have access to a car for some of the population. It's not a reason for the towns themselves to be built with carparks everywhere, no footpaths, massive outlets distributed far apart, bad public transport that doubles as crisis housing for the local homeless population, no pedestrian safety and comfort features like roadside trees, lawns instead of gardens, and everything else that makes up sterile urban sprawl.

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