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1. tptace+w6[view] [source] 2023-05-11 23:13:48
>>tafda+(OP)
"Could be sentenced to" or "faces" means literally nothing.

https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentenc...

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2. dragon+f7[view] [source] 2023-05-11 23:17:56
>>tptace+w6
“Faces up to…” means exactly what it says, that is “Faces a sentence that cannot exceed…”

Now, it doesn’t (in general) mean “Is likely to receive, if convicted”, which some people tend to assume, but it also doesn’t mean nothing. And given the fact that upward departure is allowed from the federal sentencing guidelines, but not from the statutory maximums for the offenses charged, it is literally all you can tell with certainty from the charges themselves.

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3. akerl_+M8[view] [source] 2023-05-11 23:27:45
>>dragon+f7
"Faces a sentence that cannot exceed" and "faces up to" convey very different messages.
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4. dragon+k9[view] [source] 2023-05-11 23:31:02
>>akerl_+M8
They literally mean the exact same thing.
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5. akerl_+La[view] [source] 2023-05-11 23:40:07
>>dragon+k9
That's great, and if humans were a silicon-based life form that parsed language dispassionately, I'm sure it would be relevant.

But humans are made of meat, and words and phrases have connotations. There's a difference in the perception (both to the subject and society) between those two options.

"Cannot exceed" makes it pretty clear that it's a maximum bound, and doesn't imply that the actual number will be any particular distance between zero and the maximum. "Up to" leads the reader to assume that the likely sentence is close to the stated amount.

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6. dragon+2c[view] [source] 2023-05-11 23:48:59
>>akerl_+La
> “Up to” leads the reader to assume that the likely sentence is close to the stated amount.

Honestly, I think most readers will be more familiar with how “up to” doesn’t mean that it is likely to be close than with the meaning of “cannot exceed”, from experience (as “up to” is regularly used in this way commercially), but, yes, unfortunately given only one figure, even if clearly marked as an upper bound, people who aren’t actively critically reading are likely to fixate on it as if it was a prediction of the likely result rather than a bound.

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7. dlltho+RO[view] [source] 2023-05-12 05:42:40
>>dragon+2c
In the commercial context I'm particularly fond of "up to X or more!"
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